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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,06:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,05:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:18) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) And who turns away from the religion of abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)
Hi BD,Who is 'we'? …does this 'al-Lah' of yours have a partner?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Who is the “Us” in genesis? You think he was talking to Jesus don't you. Do you thing God has a heavenly host who he talks to? TheBible has God talking with His heavenly host1 Kings 22:19-20
And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.20And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
I must ask you, do you think the Angels have nothing to do? Why is God saying “Who shall persuade Ahab”? when God asks that question He is saying “We need to pusuade Ahab”
sometimes you do not think. Do you even know what the word Angel means?
Hi BD,All Christians know that 'Muhammad' is a 'false prophet'.
Most still have not yet realized that he is THE 'false prophet'
mentioned in Rev.13:11; and that the quran is the number 666!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDNo, they don't and they have no information that says it to be true. How can the Quran be a man? 666 is the number of a man not a book
Hi BD, that is “proof” it was written by a man, the 'false prophet'. (Rev.13:18)The quran prophecy
The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,04:33) Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,01:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,22:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Hi Ed God can transform his Word into whatever he likes.
Hi Journey42,Scripture please?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42, were you referring to this verse…Isaiah 55:11 My word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EdNo I wasn't referring to that verse, but that verse is excellent. I was just saying that God being all powerful, can do anything as he pleases. He transformed his Word into Michelzidek didn't he? Without mother or father…
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[/b]Hebrews 7:2[/b] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace.
[/b]Hebrews 7:3[/b] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life: but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
[/b]Hebrews 7:4[/b] Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
He appeared out of nowhere, with no mother or father, and was so great, that even Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to. He was the King of Righeousness, and King of Peace. Does this sound like someone to you? Can you see what God can do with his Word? But this Word transformed into Melchisedek, was not born and did not die, so he must of been spirit (the Word) transformed into a man. A king in fact. And who was this King ruling over? He was ruling over Righeousness and Peace. Not people.
Hi Journey42,Melchisedec was “Shem”, as recorded in “The book of Jasher” (Link)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EdWas Shem more blessed that Abraham?
Without mother or father?
Shem had a mother and a father. His lineage can be traced. Shem does not fit this description.Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,08:49) Quote
Hi BD, that is “proof” it was written by a man, the 'false prophet'. (Rev.13:18)The quran prophecy
The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)
Ed Muhammad has only said to worship the creator of the Heaven and earth
Quote Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, ED Muhammad never did this
Quote And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; Wrong again
Quote saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Islam forbids making any images of anything to worship Christianity however has the cross, statues of saints and all other sorts of objects and images to worship including images of Jesus and his mother. This simply is not that case in Islam
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:40) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Did you say “God's seed”? God is a Spirit and you actually believe that God literally impregnated a woman physically so you believe that God did this:Genesis 6:2
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You believe that's how Jesus was conceived? God came in unto Mary?
She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)God doesn't need a seed to Manifest he Just says “Be” and it is and that is what happened Jesus was “BE” gotten
Hi BdWhen God impregnated Mary's seed, he commanded it, and it was done. We know God does not have sex, and has no use for this, but with his Word, made Mary conceive.
He made Adam and Eve didn't he. He commanded it, and there was man, made out of the dust of the earth. But his son, was made in a womb, for he had to be born.
The Sons of God (fallen angels) made women conceive. So this proves that the spirit world is capable of reproducing if they wish, which is against God's laws, to lie down with a woman. These spirits were creating their own species of people. They were capable.
This is something I have been wrestling with lately. Who said God cannot have a seed? Man says that. We do not really know, but presume for we know God has no reason to reproduce physically, for he creates spiritual children for himself when they obey his laws. But we were made in God's image, and man say that God cannot have a seed of his own. Is this so disgusting? if it were possible? Anything man is capable of doing, God can do, but not for evil. But I believe he conceived Mary by his commandment alone.
So I am not trying to convince anyone that God does have a seed, it is my own wrestle. My thoughts, weighing things out in my head. And God is Spirit, so he must be capable of a spiritual type of seed, for he is not flesh.
And also, Jesus was always referred to as the Son of God, and never the Son of Mary. Mary was just a chosen vessel. A good woman. Not a God or anything like that. But a blessed woman, who carried the Son of God in her womb, because God chose her out of all women. Jesus called her “Woman” not mother.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:40) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Did you say “God's seed”? God is a Spirit and you actually believe that God literally impregnated a woman physically so you believe that God did this:Genesis 6:2
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You believe that's how Jesus was conceived? God came in unto Mary?
She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)God doesn't need a seed to Manifest he Just says “Be” and it is and that is what happened Jesus was “BE” gotten
Hi Bodhitharta.Now you can see that the qur'an is contradictory.
Your quote: God does not need a seed to manifest,He just says ''be'' and it is, and that is what happened, Jesus was ''be''gotten.(so you agree that Jesus is special).
—————-Jesus is not just a prophet,he is the son of God.
He is the word ''made flesh'' by Gods spoken word,(command).
The word was always with God,from everlasting.John 8:58. verily,verily I say unto you before Abraham was'' I AM''.(i was there)
JOhn 3:13.And no man has ascended to heaven,but he that came down ''from'' heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Jesus was with God before he was made flesh. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.The bread of life that came down from heaven.
WE CAN ONLY REACH GOD THROUGH HIS WORD ONLY(JESUS). not through some other word.(strange flesh).
Rev.1:17.–fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
1:18. I AM HE THAT LIVED,AND WAS DEAD: AND BEHOLD,I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE,AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH.Mohamad calls God allah; fine, but what is not fine is what comes out of his mouth; because it is not in harmoney,with the word of God.It is contradictory.
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD; GODS WORD MADE FLESH ,THEN MADE SPIRIT AGAIN.
Anyone that contradict this has the spirit of anti christ in him.We have;the lord THE KING of israel,and HIS REDEEMER,the Lord of host. isiah44:6.
WAKEUP.
Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,10:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:40) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Did you say “God's seed”? God is a Spirit and you actually believe that God literally impregnated a woman physically so you believe that God did this:Genesis 6:2
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You believe that's how Jesus was conceived? God came in unto Mary?
She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)God doesn't need a seed to Manifest he Just says “Be” and it is and that is what happened Jesus was “BE” gotten
Hi BdWhen God impregnated Mary's seed, he commanded it, and it was done. We know God does not have sex, and has no use for this, but with his Word, made Mary conceive.
He made Adam and Eve didn't he. He commanded it, and there was man, made out of the dust of the earth. But his son, was made in a womb, for he had to be born.
The Sons of God (fallen angels) made women conceive. So this proves that the spirit world is capable of reproducing if they wish, which is against God's laws, to lie down with a woman. These spirits were creating their own species of people. They were capable.
This is something I have been wrestling with lately. Who said God cannot have a seed? Man says that. We do not really know, but presume for we know God has no reason to reproduce physically, for he creates spiritual children for himself when they obey his laws. But we were made in God's image, and man say that God cannot have a seed of his own. Is this so disgusting? if it were possible? Anything man is capable of doing, God can do, but not for evil. But I believe he conceived Mary by his commandment alone.
So I am not trying to convince anyone that God does have a seed, it is my own wrestle. My thoughts, weighing things out in my head. And God is Spirit, so he must be capable of a spiritual type of seed, for he is not flesh.
And also, Jesus was always referred to as the Son of God, and never the Son of Mary. Mary was just a chosen vessel. A good woman. Not a God or anything like that. But a blessed woman, who carried the Son of God in her womb, because God chose her out of all women. Jesus called her “Woman” not mother.
Jesus was the son of Mary and the creation of God.Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
( سورة المائ
دة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #46)Mary is called and is literally the Mother of Jesus
Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,10:28) Quote
Hi Bodhitharta.Now you can see that the qur'an is contradictory.
Your quote: God does not need a seed to manifest,He just says ''be'' and it is, and that is what happened, Jesus was ''be''gotten.(so you agree that Jesus is special).-Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, ]U]held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah. [/U]
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
—————Quote Jesus is not just a prophet,he is the son of God.
He is the word ''made flesh'' by Gods spoken word,(command).
The word was always with God,from everlasting.John 8:58. verily,verily I say unto you before Abraham was'' I AM''.(i was there)
JOhn 3:13.And no man has ascended to heaven,but he that came down ''from'' heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Jesus was with God before he was made flesh. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.The bread of life that came down from heaven.
WE CAN ONLY REACH GOD THROUGH HIS WORD ONLY(JESUS). not through some other word.(strange flesh).
Rev.1:17.–fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
1:18. I AM HE THAT LIVED,AND WAS DEAD: AND BEHOLD,I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE,AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH.O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Quote Mohamad calls God allah; fine, but what is not fine is what comes out of his mouth; because it is not in harmoney,with the word of God.It is contradictory. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD; GODS WORD MADE FLESH ,THEN MADE SPIRIT AGAIN.
Anyone that contradict this has the spirit of anti christ in him.You cannot be antichrist if you believe that Jesus is the Christ
Quote We have;the lord THE KING of israel,and HIS REDEEMER,the Lord of host. isiah44:6. WAKEUP.
In fact God is the only actual Saviour
Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.So who is your Saviour?
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,15:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 11 2012,04:40) No I shouldn't because Muhammad is like Moses not Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Hi BD,Trying to force the bible to substantiate the 'book of fraud' WON'T WORK!
No more Prophets were born once John started Baptizing at Jordan!(Luke 16:16) “The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached”I've told you this in almost EVERY THREAD!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EdJohn was the LAST PROPHET under THE LAW. the OLD LAW.
He refreshed the minds of the Israelites concerning the prophesy of the Saviour to come recorded in the OT….telling them, the time has come.
He was the last witness, the last prophet under the Law bringing good news that the prophesy is about to be fulfilled,
And also witnessed Christ's arrival.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,11:09) Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote
Hi Bodhitharta.Now you can see that the qur'an is contradictory.
Your quote: God does not need a seed to manifest,He just says ''be'' and it is, and that is what happened, Jesus was ''be''gotten.(so you agree that Jesus is special).-Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, ]U]held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah. [/U]
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
—————Quote Jesus is not just a prophet,he is the son of God.
He is the word ''made flesh'' by Gods spoken word,(command).
The word was always with God,from everlasting.John 8:58. verily,verily I say unto you before Abraham was'' I AM''.(i was there)
JOhn 3:13.And no man has ascended to heaven,but he that came down ''from'' heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Jesus was with God before he was made flesh. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.The bread of life that came down from heaven.
WE CAN ONLY REACH GOD THROUGH HIS WORD ONLY(JESUS). not through some other word.(strange flesh).
Rev.1:17.–fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
1:18. I AM HE THAT LIVED,AND WAS DEAD: AND BEHOLD,I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE,AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH.O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Quote Mohamad calls God allah; fine, but what is not fine is what comes out of his mouth; because it is not in harmoney,with the word of God.It is contradictory. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD; GODS WORD MADE FLESH ,THEN MADE SPIRIT AGAIN.
Anyone that contradict this has the spirit of anti christ in him.You cannot be antichrist if you believe that Jesus is the Christ
Quote We have;the lord THE KING of israel,and HIS REDEEMER,the Lord of host. isiah44:6. WAKEUP.
In fact God is the only actual Saviour
Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.So who is your Saviour?
Hi Bodhitharta.This is excatly what I mean,the bible and the qur'an are two different types of wood and can not be joined together,for it will show the different grains.
The bible says,Jesus is the son of God;and the qur'an says jesus is the son of mary.
The bible says; Jesus is the word of God; and the qur'an says no.But Mary was pregnant by the will of God,''God says ''be'' and it is. So there is a contradiction there.(need correction)
If jesus is the son of Mary,then who is his father??
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,12:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,11:09) Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,10:28) Quote
Hi Bodhitharta.Now you can see that the qur'an is contradictory.
Your quote: God does not need a seed to manifest,He just says ''be'' and it is, and that is what happened, Jesus was ''be''gotten.(so you agree that Jesus is special).-Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, ]U]held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah. [/U]
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
—————Quote Jesus is not just a prophet,he is the son of God.
He is the word ''made flesh'' by Gods spoken word,(command).
The word was always with God,from everlasting.John 8:58. verily,verily I say unto you before Abraham was'' I AM''.(i was there)
JOhn 3:13.And no man has ascended to heaven,but he that came down ''from'' heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Jesus was with God before he was made flesh. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.The bread of life that came down from heaven.
WE CAN ONLY REACH GOD THROUGH HIS WORD ONLY(JESUS). not through some other word.(strange flesh).
Rev.1:17.–fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
1:18. I AM HE THAT LIVED,AND WAS DEAD: AND BEHOLD,I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE,AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH.O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Quote Mohamad calls God allah; fine, but what is not fine is what comes out of his mouth; because it is not in harmoney,with the word of God.It is contradictory. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD; GODS WORD MADE FLESH ,THEN MADE SPIRIT AGAIN.
Anyone that contradict this has the spirit of anti christ in him.You cannot be antichrist if you believe that Jesus is the Christ
Quote We have;the lord THE KING of israel,and HIS REDEEMER,the Lord of host. isiah44:6. WAKEUP.
In fact God is the only actual Saviour
Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.So who is your Saviour?
Hi Bodhitharta.This is excatly what I mean,the bible and the qur'an are two different types of wood and can not be joined together,for it will show the different grains.
The bible says,Jesus is the son of God;and the qur'an says jesus is the son of mary.
The bible says; Jesus is the word of God; and the qur'an says no.But Mary was pregnant by the will of God,''God says ''be'' and it is. So there is a contradiction there.(need correction)
If jesus is the son of Mary,then who is his father??
wakeup.
Hi BodhithartiI have a question.
How does a western woman get drawn into the Muslim religion? Who goes out and convinces her that the Muslim religion is the one to follow? Is it the women, or the men that bring in followers?
Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,09:53) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,04:33)
Hi Journey42,Melchisedec was “Shem”, as recorded in “The book of Jasher”.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
Hi EdWas Shem more blessed that Abraham?
Without mother or father?
Shem had a mother and a father. His lineage can be traced. Shem does not fit this description.
Hi Journey42, (Link)If you don't want to watch the video series
from the link in the First Post, or even look
at the thread where it's explained, it's OK.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,19:26) Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,09:53) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,04:33)
Hi Journey42,Melchisedec was “Shem”, as recorded in “The book of Jasher”.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
Hi EdWas Shem more blessed that Abraham?
Without mother or father?
Shem had a mother and a father. His lineage can be traced. Shem does not fit this description.
Hi Journey42, (Link)If you don't want to watch the video series
from the link in the First Post, or even look
at the thread where it's explained, it's OK.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EDJ.I have just finished watching your video.
That man is selling his opinion,for money and you got sucked in.SHem is Melchizedek? But Melchizedek is an office,not a person?
Pslms 110:4. The lord hath sworn,and will not repent, thou art a priest FOR EVER –AFTER– THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.
Colossians 1:18. and he is the head of the body,the church:
who is the beginning,the first born from the dead; THAT IN –ALL– THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE –PREEMINENCE–Melchizedek,the first king and high priest in salem,Jesus is second to none. MELCHIZEDEK IS THE WORD OF GOD.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,12:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,11:09) Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2012,10:28) Quote
Hi Bodhitharta.Now you can see that the qur'an is contradictory.
Your quote: God does not need a seed to manifest,He just says ''be'' and it is, and that is what happened, Jesus was ''be''gotten.(so you agree that Jesus is special).-Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, ]U]held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah. [/U]
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
—————Quote Jesus is not just a prophet,he is the son of God.
He is the word ''made flesh'' by Gods spoken word,(command).
The word was always with God,from everlasting.John 8:58. verily,verily I say unto you before Abraham was'' I AM''.(i was there)
JOhn 3:13.And no man has ascended to heaven,but he that came down ''from'' heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
Jesus was with God before he was made flesh. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.The bread of life that came down from heaven.
WE CAN ONLY REACH GOD THROUGH HIS WORD ONLY(JESUS). not through some other word.(strange flesh).
Rev.1:17.–fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.
1:18. I AM HE THAT LIVED,AND WAS DEAD: AND BEHOLD,I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE,AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH.O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Quote Mohamad calls God allah; fine, but what is not fine is what comes out of his mouth; because it is not in harmoney,with the word of God.It is contradictory. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD; GODS WORD MADE FLESH ,THEN MADE SPIRIT AGAIN.
Anyone that contradict this has the spirit of anti christ in him.You cannot be antichrist if you believe that Jesus is the Christ
Quote We have;the lord THE KING of israel,and HIS REDEEMER,the Lord of host. isiah44:6. WAKEUP.
In fact God is the only actual Saviour
Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.So who is your Saviour?
Hi Bodhitharta.This is excatly what I mean,the bible and the qur'an are two different types of wood and can not be joined together,for it will show the different grains.
The bible says,Jesus is the son of God;and the qur'an says jesus is the son of mary.
The bible says; Jesus is the word of God; and the qur'an says no.But Mary was pregnant by the will of God,''God says ''be'' and it is. So there is a contradiction there.(need correction)
If jesus is the son of Mary,then who is his father??
wakeup.
Perhaps you missed this:Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.Cear proof “Mary the Mother of Jesus” which makes Jesus the son of Mary and I agree “who is his Father?” He doesn't have a literal Father just like Adam had no Father or Mother. But just so you will understand my point Adam is also the “son of God” according to the scriptures
Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.So if you ask who is Jesus Father and you think God was his literal Father then I will ask you who is Adam's mother?
At that point you will understand that Adam like Jesus were unique creations. The term son is not literal
The Quran agrees that Jesus is the Word of God
Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,19:13) Hi Bodhitharti I have a question.
How does a western woman get drawn into the Muslim religion? Who goes out and convinces her that the Muslim religion is the one to follow? Is it the women, or the men that bring in followers?
Muslims don't seek to convert others through a certain method usually a person asks tem a question so for instance a woman well covered may be asked by a western woman why she does it or the purpose for it and this leads them to want to know more. Most women think a woman with a headscarf on is somehow being opressed but when the response is similar to explaining that a woman is like a special Jewel not for general display it becomes a beautiful thing.Most women who do not understand the importance of dressing in a very conservative fashion don't realize the harm done to those around them. Men can hardly resist a beautiful women showing here figure and form openly and that's why we are all so obsessed with pornography and nudity in general if women felt to cover up is essential except when in your home we would have a lot less adultery, fornication and rape.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:29) Quote (Devolution @ April 12 2012,02:25) THAT PROPHET Deuteronomy 18:15
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken.Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Deuteronomy 18:19
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.> “That Prophet” will be raised up from the midst of the Jews (their brethren).
> Muhammad was not raised up from amidst the Jews…he was raised up amidst the Arabs.> “That Prophet” will be of thy brethren (Jewish)
> Muhammad was not Jewish.These simple truths alone prove that Muhammad is not, nor could ever be “That Prophet” without even needing to go into deeper scriptural detail.
Thank you.
Wrong again the Arabs and Jews are brethren they are both semetic and they are both rooted in Abraham therefore they are brethren besides that Jesus certainly was not of their brethren because he was sent by God and had no Jewish Father or seed and he was not like Moses at all. We know that Prophet wasn't John the BaptistJohn 1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Now ED claims there were no more prophets after John the Baptist so who would “that Prophet” be? If Jesus was the Last Jewish Prophet and Jesus said
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.Well how could that happen without a Prophet?
we know that the gentiles do not qualify because they are not a people
Deuteronomy 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Muhammad was sent to a People with a message for all Mankind just like the Jews[/quote]
Hi Bod,
Actually, you should read John 1:21 again…
They were asking John this question…asking if John was that Prophet…not asking Jesus.
Gentile simply means non Jewish nations.
All peoples non Jewish.
Non Jewish nations.
Which of course means…peoples.
I do no know what made you say this thing?Tell me, was Muhammad first recognized as a Jewish prophet?
Who came up from among the Jews as a prophet, and from there, already recognized as a prophet, then came to the Arab peoples?Of course not, he first rose up from among his own brethren.
This is all the proof we need to cancel him out as that prophet.All the wordplay in the world can not change this fact.
He simply can not be that prophet by this truth alone.You yourself admit that Jesus is the Word of God.
There is only one person in all history that was given that title…Jesus…
This was set in stone 600 years before Islam ever was.So since you agree that Jesus is indeed the Word of God…
Established long before Islam…
And even declared in your book,
Then why don't you listen to Him?So then, this must mean that you do not believe that Jesus is the Word of God after all…
Which means you must disagree with your own book.
For you have discarded Jesus' teachings for another…
And in doing this, rebelling against the declaration in your own book, that Jesus is the Word of God.BUT…if you do believe He is the Word of God, yet do not accept all He says, then you are actually calling God a liar.
For the Word of God speaks Gods Word.
He never speaks His own Word.So again, you need to honestly weigh it all up.
Truth or personal preference.
God is not fooled…
If you love your religion over the truth…
Then that is your burden to bear.Thank you.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,11:01) Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,10:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,04:40) Quote (journey42 @ April 11 2012,21:49) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,20:14) Quote (journey42 @ April 10 2012,11:02) God is spirit and his Word is spirit.
Hi Journey42,Why would YOU also say that God's word is a person then?
I know BD doesn't agree with me on much, but in this he does!
Hi EdGod's Word is alive Ed. It comes from God's breath. God commands and his Word obeys. God can transform his Word into whatever he likes. He transformed his Word into into flesh, when he created Jesus in the womb. I say created, because Jesus was not conceived because of the will of man, but the will of God. God's very own seed, fertilised Mary's egg, and Jesus developed and grew like any other child, only God put his spirit in him, for a great purpose. Then God put his Words into Jesus, so everything Jesus spoke was God speaking through him. And Jesus “grew” in wisdom. So he didn't have it all from a baby, he had to develop, and learn, and obey, and the more faithful he remained, the more holy spirit (spirit of truth) was given to him.
If God is Spirit, then we he speaks to us, he speaks in spiritual terms. There is a deeper meaning to his speech. And his Word is alive. Not a dead word that you throw away, like in a magazine, or news article, but God's Word is alive, because it gives life if we learn of him, and soak in everything he is revealing.
Jesus Christ is that living Word now, for he is called the Word of God. So it has a dual meaning. You can only go to God through his Word, whether it be Word in print, or Christ who is called the Word of God, for God has put the full measure of the Word into Christ. You can't have one without the other. If you feed of Christ's flesh, then you are feeding on the Word he is delivering, which is God's own Word.
Did you say “God's seed”? God is a Spirit and you actually believe that God literally impregnated a woman physically so you believe that God did this:Genesis 6:2
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
You believe that's how Jesus was conceived? God came in unto Mary?
She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)God doesn't need a seed to Manifest he Just says “Be” and it is and that is what happened Jesus was “BE” gotten
Hi BdWhen God impregnated Mary's seed, he commanded it, and it was done. We know God does not have sex, and has no use for this, but with his Word, made Mary conceive.
He made Adam and Eve didn't he. He commanded it, and there was man, made out of the dust of the earth. But his son, was made in a womb, for he had to be born.
The Sons of God (fallen angels) made women conceive. So this proves that the spirit world is capable of reproducing if they wish, which is against God's laws, to lie down with a woman. These spirits were creating their own species of people. They were capable.
This is something I have been wrestling with lately. Who said God cannot have a seed? Man says that. We do not really know, but presume for we know God has no reason to reproduce physically, for he creates spiritual children for himself when they obey his laws. But we were made in God's image, and man say that God cannot have a seed of his own. Is this so disgusting? if it were possible? Anything man is capable of doing, God can do, but not for evil. But I believe he conceived Mary by his commandment alone.
So I am not trying to convince anyone that God does have a seed, it is my own wrestle. My thoughts, weighing things out in my head. And God is Spirit, so he must be capable of a spiritual type of seed, for he is not flesh.
And also, Jesus was always referred to as the Son of God, and never the Son of Mary. Mary was just a chosen vessel. A good woman. Not a God or anything like that. But a blessed woman, who carried the Son of God in her womb, because God chose her out of all women. Jesus called her “Woman” not mother.
Jesus was the son of Mary and the creation of God.Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.Acts 1:14
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: there
in was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #46)Mary is called and is literally the Mother of Jesus
Bodhitharta.Jesus was once confronted by his apostles,saying Lord, your mother and your brothers are out there wanting to see you.
And jesus says; Who is my mother and who is my brother,every one that believe in me is my mother and my brother.Jesus is telling us something here that we can not understand.
God was speaking through jesus,and who is Gods mother?Mary was a tool to bring his only begotten to the world.
She is chosen by God.She is blessed.Jesus never called mary ,mother, but woman.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,01:20) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,19:26) Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2012,09:53) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,04:33)
Hi Journey42,Melchisedec was “Shem”, as recorded in “The book of Jasher”.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
Hi EdWas Shem more blessed that Abraham?
Without mother or father?
Shem had a mother and a father. His lineage can be traced. Shem does not fit this description.
Hi Journey42, (Link)If you don't want to watch the video series
from the link in the First Post, or even look
at the thread where it's explained, it's OK.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
Hi EDJ.I have just finished watching your video.
That man is selling his opinion,for money and you got sucked in.SHem is Melchizedek? But Melchizedek is an office,not a person?
Pslms 110:4. The lord hath sworn,and will not repent, thou art a priest FOR EVER –AFTER– THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.
Colossians 1:18. and he is the head of the body,the church:
who is the beginning,the first born from the dead; THAT IN –ALL– THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE –PREEMINENCE–Melchizedek,the first king and high priest in salem,Jesus is second to none. MELCHIZEDEK IS THE WORD OF GOD.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“AFTER THE ORDER OF” …do you know what that means?
That is what was explained by Dr. Charles Jennings.
The office of the Melchizedek priesthood.Yes, but I believe Melchizedek was an “office” rather than a specific individual.
Being a “King Priest”, which started with Adam, passed down to Seth, to
Enoch, to “Shem”, to David, and now permanently to Christ, Jesus!Jesus Pedigree
Priest: Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
King: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
Son of God: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)“And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram
and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech.
And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had
brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God.” (Jasher 16:11-12)“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the
most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God,
possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath de-
livered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.” (Gen.14:18-20)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Hi Wakeup,
Sorry, I forgot that you told Geoeg that Prophetic History doesn't that much to you. …again sorry.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Devolution @ April 13 2012,03:35) Hi Bod, Actually, you should read John 1:21 again…
They were asking John this question…asking if John was that Prophet…not asking Jesus.
Gentile simply means non Jewish nations.
All peoples non Jewish.
Non Jewish nations.
Which of course means…peoples.
I do no know what made you say this thing?Tell me, was Muhammad first recognized as a Jewish prophet?
Who came up from among the Jews as a prophet, and from there, already recognized as a prophet, then came to the Arab peoples?Of course not, he first rose up from among his own brethren.
This is all the proof we need to cancel him out as that prophet.All the wordplay in the world can not change this fact.
He simply can not be that prophet by this truth alone.You yourself admit that Jesus is the Word of God.
There is only one person in all history that was given that title…Jesus…
This was set in stone 600 years before Islam ever was.So since you agree that Jesus is indeed the Word of God…
Established long before Islam…
And even declared in your book,
Then why don't you listen to Him?So then, this must mean that you do not believe that Jesus is the Word of God after all…
Which means you must disagree with your own book.
For you have discarded Jesus' teachings for another…
And in doing this, rebelling against the declaration in your own book, that Jesus is the Word of God.BUT…if you do believe He is the Word of God, yet do not accept all He says, then you are actually calling God a liar.
For the Word of God speaks Gods Word.
He never speaks His own Word.So again, you need to honestly weigh it all up.
Truth or personal preference.
God is not fooled…
If you love your religion over the truth…
Then that is your burden to bear.Thank you.
Frst of all you are making huge assumptions that are plain wrong.Noah was a Prophet and was not Jewish
Abraham was a Prophet and was not Jewish
Every Prophet brfore the tribe of Judah was not Jewish you are confused here (Not being insulting)
Ishmael and Isaac were brothers nothing can change that.
as far as being called the word of God and even God for that matter look what Jesus says:
John 10:34-36
King James Version (KJV)
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
You still are confusing yourself let m ask you this:
Luke 5:1
And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret,Do you keep thinking the “word of God” is just another name for Jesus?
You misunderstand Jesus was “a” Word sent from God and that Word became flesh.
They are not the same thing:
Revelation 1:2
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.Jesus Christ was called into existence by the Word of God the same way God said “Let there be light” and there was light
Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2012,04:53) Quote
Bodhitharta.Jesus was once confronted by his apostles,saying Lord, your mother and your brothers are out there wanting to see you.
And jesus says; Who is my mother and who is my brother,every one that believe in me is my mother and my brother.Jesus is telling us something here that we can not understand.
God was speaking through jesus,and who is Gods mother?No, Jesus is not telling us something we cannot understand all he is saying is that they must be my spiritual relatives for it to matter just how you call people brother or sister in Christ but if you understand that then you should also understand that a Spiritual son is what Jesus or anyone else is of God, No literal sons of God just those who are led by the Spirit.
Quote Mary was a tool to bring his only begotten to the world.
She is chosen by God.She is blessed.Mary birthed Jesus she came out of her Virgin Womb, that is her Child, That is her son but God says this about all the firstborn that open the womb
Exodus 13:11-13
King James Version (KJV)
11And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, as he sware unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee,
12That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD's.
13And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
So Jesus was set apart unto the lord and redeemed at birth
Quote Jesus never called mary ,mother, but woman. I hope you really don't believe that of course he called his mother “Mother” do you think that because a scripture doesn't say Jesus said mother that he never said it?
Here is a lesson for you:
John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.Amen
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