2 questions from a Muslim

No, you just believe that. Just like the Jews who believe the same about Christians.

ED

Jews do not believe in Christ and would say that he is a false Prophet:

A MORE COMPLETE EXPLANATION…

You must understand that both Jews and Christians use the word ‘messiah,’ but the meaning of the word is different in each faith. The Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah, according to this Christian definition, is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin. But we are taught in our Bible that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. [Deuteronomy 24:16]

In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses believes that, perhaps, he can atone for the sin of the People of Israel, when they made the Golden Calf. He tried to offer himself as an atonement for the sins of the people. When Moses tells Gd to write Moses out of His book, he means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response was “No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:”

And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Eternal; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin. And Moses returned unto the Eternal, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them Gds of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Eternal said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. And the Eternal plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made. [ Exodus 32:30-35]

The whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us. No where in this chapter does Ezekiel claim that we have to have a blood sacrifice in order for us to be forgiven for our sins. (See the essay on this website regarding Blood Sacrifices)

The word of the Eternal came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Eternal Gd, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Eternal Gd: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. [Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27]

So, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for the sins committed by someone else.

The Christian idea of the messiah is that Jesus was the blood sacrifice that saves everyone from his or her sin. But who, exactly, died on that cross? If it was Jesus-the-Gd, then how can Gd die? If it was only Jesus-the-human, then all Christians have in the death of Jesus is a human sacrifice. And what, exactly, does Gd say about human sacrifice in the TaNaCH?

In Deuteronomy, Gd calls Human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him!:

Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Eternal thy Gd: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. [Deuteronomy 12:30-31]

In Jeremiah, Gd tells us that Human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind!:

Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spoke it, neither came it into my mind: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Eternal, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but The Valley of Slaughter. [Jeremiah 19:4-6]

We see the same thing in Psalm 106 and in Ezekiel 16:

Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. [Psalm 106:37-38]

Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unt
o me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter? [Ezekiel 16:20]

And yet we are to then turn around and believe that Gd changed His mind and required human sacrifice, and then it was the sacrifice of His own human son that Gd wanted? After telling the Jews to stay away from pagan practices and pagan beliefs, Gd then changes His mind and says, “Okay, now go ahead and believe in a human sacrifice, just as these very pagans believe?” Everyone is a son or a daughter. Gd tells us that any human sacrifice is an abomination, something He hates, and something so horrible that it would never even come into His mind to demand it of us. And human sacrifice was practiced by the pagans.

You must understand that the Christian definition to the term, Messiah, is pagan. How do all Christians, define the term messiah? They define it exactly as the pagans understood their dying/saving man/gods and heroes. The ancient world is filled with examples. Mithra, Adonis, Dionysis, Attis, Ra, and many others were born in the Winter, died in the Spring, and came back to life. Along with this, they believed that their followers would not die, but have immortal life, since the death of the hero/god acted as their sacrifice for their sins. The pagan world was filled with gods who were the product of a human mother and a god for the father. Even Hercules had Zeus for a father, and a human mother named Alcmene. Dionysus’s human mother was Semele, and his father was Zeus, and Dionysus was considered a savior god.

When the earliest Christians would come into the synagogues and missionize, they would get kicked out. They were not allowed to stay and preach, they were rejected, because their message was pagan, was recognized as such by the Jews, and they were removed and separated from the Jewish people as a result. This, more than anything else, explains the separation between the early Christians and the Jews, and the separation from the earliest times between Judaism and Christianity.

So how have we Jews, who invented the term, always defined the term Messiah?

1.
The Messiah is born of two human parents, as we said.

But Jesus, according to Christian theology, was born of a union between a Human woman and Gd, rather than two HUMAN parents, as was Hercules, and Dionysus, as well as many other pagan gods.

2.
The Messiah can trace his lineage through his human biological father, back to King David (Isaiah 11:1,10; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:21-28; Jeremiah 30:7-10; 33:14-16; and Hosea 3:4-5).

But Jesus's lineage cannot go through his human father, according to Christian theology, as Jesus's father was not Joseph the husband of Mary. According to Christian theology, Jesus's father was Gd.

3.
The Messiah traces his lineage only through King Solomon (II Samuel 7:12-17; I Chronicles 22:9-10).

But according to Luke 3:31, Jesus was a descendant of Nathan, another son of King David, and not a descendant of King David through King Solomon.

4.
The Messiah cannot trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30).

But according to both Matthew 1:11-12 and Luke 3:27, Jesus was a descendant of Shealtiel.

According to the Jewish definition of the term, the Real Messiah will make changes in the real world, changes that one can see and perceive and be able to prove because these changes take place in the real world. It is for this task that the real messiah has been anointed in the first place, hence the term, messiah — one who is anointed. These changes, that one will be able to see and perceive in the real world, include:

1.
The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6), which is contradicted by Jesus in Matthew 10:34-37.

2.
The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.

3.
The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above.)

4.
The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

5.
The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

6.
The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of Gd is Gd (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

7.
The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9). It isn't.

8.
The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24). Many of the ten lost tribes remain lost.

9.
The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28). It hasn't been rebuilt.

10.
There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30). People starve to death every day.

11.
After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8). People die every day.

12.
Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);

13.
The nations of the earth will help the Jews, materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12;

14.
The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23);

15.
All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12);

16.
The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15)

17.
Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12);

18.
Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13);

19.
The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been wrong, that the Jews have been right, and that the sins of the Gentile nations, their persecutions and the murders they committed, have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53)

These Biblically based changes in the world are very real, very perceivable, very noticeable, and knowable. But the changes that Christianity claims were made by Jesus are not perceivable at all. They must be accepted on faith, and faith alone. How can one know that Jesus died for their sins, except by faith? How can one know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, except by the faith in the historical truth of the Christian's New Testament? There is no birth certificate. The changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism are very provable, but the changes made by the Messiah, Jesus, according to Christianity can only be taken on faith.

Even Christians recognize that none of these changes that the Real Messiah will make in the real world according to Judaism and derived from the Bible have not happened yet. This is why Christianity invented the idea of a Second Coming. The real Messiah has no need to come a second time to do those things he must do the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah.

The Christian definition to the term Messiah also requires one to believe that Gd demands a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, and that Jesus was that blood sacrifice. Please see the essay on this website regarding blood sacrifices as a response to this Chr
istian idea.

http://whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation3.html

So if Jews are united with Christians you need to think about your own beliefs for you accept the rejectors of Christ and reject the acceptors of Christ that is why Christianity is full of Hypocrites

First of all I request of you to please don't post and run like some do here so with this respose Igive you please continue the discussion. Can you show me where in the scriptures Jesus says he was “First” Sent to the Jews?

Jesus' exact words are

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

So he didn't say “first”

Nothing of the sort the point is I asked what made you take his words in Matthew 15:24 as meaning “first” or that it was a temporary statement but you took the statement “Iam the way , the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” as an everlasting statement instead of the way you take Matthew 15:24 as temporary?

I didn't ask why Jesus was sent to the Jews only that wasn't even the point.

Jesus said: Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Prefering something another way is saying it is not your will to have it the way it is so you just agreed that Jesus was not willing.

Laying down your life does not mean you want it to be taken from you police and fireman lay down there life everyday but they don't want to be killed.

You keep using the words “First” there is no first Jesus was the Jewish Messiah sent to the Jews and when he told his disciples to go preach throughout the world he was still talking about the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

He was a Light unto the gentiles as the Jews were/are supposed to be.

God Bless!

This is off topic to this thread but to me hebrews could be written by Paul or not it wouldn't make much difference also I didn't say I don't accept what Jesus said that what Jesus said is not as plain as it looks. Jesus did say that it was not his will to be killed and that goes against the Christian Idea that Jesus willfully died for the sins of others which in itself goes against the teachings of God who says he hates human sacrifice and the sins of one cannot fall on another. The question is do you believe that?

ED

Jews do not listen to the voice of Christ so they are not his sheep. Christianity is not rooted in Judaism. Jews do not believe in Human Sacrifice as a mean of appeasing God, this is one thing that you should at least be honest about.

You actually keep hilding on to the Jews as if they care even a slight bit about Jesus. ED they don't even believe Jesus was a Prophet or someone of any concern whatsoever they even discredit his virgin birth ow can you cling so much to those who are completely against your view of Christ?

Jesus laying down his life does not mean he actually was killed it just means he didn't run from death but you and I both know as death approached he was NOT WILLING but you have to keep getting around that fact.

Thanks for letting me know about the timing of when you can post I appreciate that and everything else you wrote as well.

I have to make one thing clear and that is I have no intention whatsoever of you changing your relationship with Christ and I have never told anyone not to follow Christ. In fact I have said over and over you cannot be a Muslim unless you accept and believe in Christ Jesus so I will certainly be trying to convince anyone to not follow Christ.

The point I have been making the entire time on this site is that God Almighty makes all final decisions about everything and it is the Mercy and Compassion of God that is above all it is because of God Almighty that Jesus was sent:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

It seems to me you have a good footing but certain words you cling to that if you understood them more you would see more clearly. For instance you said God Almighty made Jesus a God and you found that to be unique but God told Moses

Exodus 7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Certain usage of words then were very metaphorical which can be confusing the Quran was sent dow to make things clear. For instance for you to believe that Jesus is an actual God would mean 1. you believe in 2 Gods (A violation) 2. You disbelieve Jesus when he says John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

If there is only one TRUE GOD then Jesus cannot be a god literally