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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2012,23:34) Hi ED,
You offer jn3
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he
cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Where is natural birth shown as being OF water in SCRIPTURE?
Not here without witnesses.If it did mean that WHO AMONG US HAS NOT BEEN BORN NATURALLY?
NDo you understand John 3
Born of water and of the spirit that is ,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2012,17:40) Hi T,
Apparently we must all be born naturally to enter the kingdom?
Bingo!And be re-born of the Spirit.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
So no scriptures that speak of natural birth being of water?Having done many hundreds I assure you the resemblance to water is only slight.[heb 10.22]
Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2012,13:07) Quote (Wakeup @ May 27 2012,12:54) EDJ. It realy means what it says.THe father is the father; the Word is the Word, then made flash; and the holy ghost is the Comforter. The spirit of truth.He will glorify the word,and the spirit of truth is in every word God spoke,for God is truth.
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up,How about these verses then? Do these verses help tie these ideas together?
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.The glory is in jesus,for God dwelleth fullyin him,he is the light of the world. And his glory will be revealed to us when we see him at the second coming.
Jesus is born of incorruptable seed,for God is his father.We also will be born of incorruptable seed,when God has made us clean and white in the resurrection.
Born of the word of God.The words that I speak to you they are spiritand they are life; it is the spirit that quickens.
We must eat the word and drink the blood: seek the scriptures,and digest it.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2012,20:16) Hi ED,
So no scriptures that speak of natural birth being of water?Having done many hundreds I assure you the resemblance to water is only slight.[heb 10.22]
Hi Nick,There is no verses that says born of water means baptism either!
Yet you dismiss Jesus' own explanation (John 3:6) of what born of water means.Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he
cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:5-6)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
But there are many many water baptisms shown in Acts in response to the teaching of Jesus and Peter.And why would natural birth be a prerequisite when the entire earthly audience has been??
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2012,09:35) Hi Ed,
But there are many many water baptisms shown in Acts in response to the teaching of Jesus and Peter.And why would natural birth be a prerequisite when the entire earthly audience has been??
Hi Nick,You know why. And we can discuss “why” as soon as you define your term: 'an Evil Angel'; OK?
Right when we began to discuss this topic you attempted to use the term 'evil angels' as leverage
to drive home your point, yet you have never defined what exactly 'an Evil Angel' even is?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 27 2012,19:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2012,17:40) Hi T,
Apparently we must all be born naturally to enter the kingdom?
Bingo!And be re-born of the Spirit.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Praise God you can see.
Clossians 1:18.
And he is the head of the body,the church(his church,not any church): who is the beginning,the first born from the dead(resurreced); that in all things he might have- -preeminence.Now Jesus was not the first man babtised with water was he?
Water babtism symbolises the real thing which is,babtised by the Holy spirit
The water only washes the skin,but the Holy spirit washes all sins.So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2012,12:09) Hi WU,
So you say.
But both are necessary.
Nick.Water babtism is just a symbol of the real thing.
we must focus on the real thing.If for example one is babtised by a wicked pastor, then has that any meaning at all?
Consider the thief on the cross,was he babtised with water?
wakeup.
Hi WU,
yes that is the popular view.
The thief died under the old covenant.
besides Lord Jesus Christ has all authority anywayQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2012,12:22) Hi WU,
yes that is the popular view.
The thief died under the old covenant.
besides Lord Jesus Christ has all authority anyway
Nick.yes nick,the thief was instantly forgiven and since he was under the old law,he was promised paradise,not the kingdom of God.This means that he will be brought back to israel with the other jews that also will be brought back,in the flesh in the 100yr reign,where the lion will eat straw like in paradise.
But the resurected ones in Christ,will be in the spiritual kingdom,they have received the inheritance; but they also will dwell amongst the jews,and do the teachings,and the jews also will start teaching the gentiles outside the kingdom.Amongst these gentiles will be many luke warm christians also.Then the jews that died also will be resurected
in the second resurection.Now they also have inherited the kingdom.Gods plan is marvellous.
He started with the jews; they rejected; then we will teach the jews; then the jews will teach the gentiles,untill we all come to one.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, for 1John 5:7 to authentic: it should read…
1John 5:7 From heaven, there are three that born witness: “The Father”, “The Word” and “Jesus”.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Ed J @ May 29 2012,09:17) Hi Wakeup, for 1John 5:7 to authentic: it should read… 1John 5:7 From heaven, there are three that born witness: “The Father”, “The Word” and “Jesus”.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Edj.What translation do you use?
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,09:23) Hi Ed,
So you say.
But you have adjusted scripture
Hi Nick, do you not know the difference?Is this yet another one of your misconceptions?
No, I adjusted a verse that was ADDED to Scripture.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ May 29 2012,09:36) Quote (Ed J @ May 29 2012,09:17) Hi Wakeup, for 1John 5:7 to authentic: it should read… 1John 5:7 From heaven, there are three that born witness: “The Father”, “The Word” and “Jesus”.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Edj.What translation do you use?
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up,I go by the original manuscripts.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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