1 Timothy 3:16

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  • #333300
    terraricca
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    No,that is not the answer

    #333301
    kerwin
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.

    #333302
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,14:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.


    K

    why is the Glory so important ???

    #333303
    kerwin
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,14:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.


    K

    why is the Glory so important ???


    T,

    I know why the glory that is  the righteousness of God is important.

    I know why the glory of Jesus being the king of everything that is on earth and in heaven is important.

    I know why the glory of gospel is that it brings a righteousness that is from faith from first to last.

    I know these and other glories are linked together and lead to salvation. That is important.

    #333304
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,23:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,14:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.


    K

    why is the Glory so important ???


    T,

    I know why the glory that is  the righteousness of God is important.

    I know why the glory of Jesus being the king of everything that is on earth and in heaven is important.

    I know why the glory of gospel is that it brings a righteousness that is from faith from first to last.

    I know these and other glories are linked together and lead to salvation.  That is important.


    K

    ok, so what his the glory ???

    #333305
    jammin
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,19:27)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2013,19:02)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,13:00)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42)

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)

    Hi Mike,

    The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).


    ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.


    Great!  Now just show me the scripture that says so.


    “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:20)


    LOL

    this guy is so funny.
    LOL

    he always connects other verses to john 1.1 as long as he sees a word “word” or speak. LOL

    study the context boy. study hard! LOL


    Hi Jammin,

    “And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received  
     the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit:” (1 Thess 1:6)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    LOL

    study hard boy! LOL

    #333306
    kerwin
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:47)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,23:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,14:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.


    K

    why is the Glory so important ???


    T,

    I know why the glory that is  the righteousness of God is important.

    I know why the glory of Jesus being the king of everything that is on earth and in heaven is important.

    I know why the glory of gospel is that it brings a righteousness that is from faith from first to last.

    I know these and other glories are linked together and lead to salvation.  That is important.


    K

    ok, so what his the glory ???


    T,

    Jesus has more than one type of glory. Different Scriptures speak of different glories. I have tried to point out that all his glories are tied up with the pioneering and finishing of the gospel.

    #333307
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2013,13:27)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:47)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,23:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,23:18)

    Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,14:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:44)
    No,that is not the answer


    T,

    Then I still do not understand your question.


    K

    why is the Glory so important ???


    T,

    I know why the glory that is  the righteousness of God is important.

    I know why the glory of Jesus being the king of everything that is on earth and in heaven is important.

    I know why the glory of gospel is that it brings a righteousness that is from faith from first to last.

    I know these and other glories are linked together and lead to salvation.  That is important.


    K

    ok, so what his the glory ???


    T,

    Jesus has more than one type of glory.  Different Scriptures speak of different glories.  I have tried to point out that all his glories are tied up with the pioneering and finishing of the gospel.


    K

    Agree with you, different glories ,or meaning of the word glory, just as it his with spirit ,

    But just as spirit is always connected to the truth of God ,so it is with the glories

    Like the glory of God through his written word given tthrough his holy spirit would be the fulfillment of his word,because all have to recognize what his true,and so render honor to his name and this glorifies him,

    And in many. Way so it is with Christ doing his fater,s work

    #367466
    sonofGod
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    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 25 2013,14:01)
    1 Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    This scripture infers that Jesus is God. Although you could argue that even we should manifest God in our lives knowing full well we are not God. Regardless, this verse is certainly a verse that Trinitarians use as a proof verse, and to the untrained eye, they may well accept that Jesus is God based on this.

    But is this all there is to this matter.

    Apparently this verse is controversial because most other translations do not say “God was manifest in the flesh”, rather they say “He was manifest in the flesh”.

    So what is going on. Why does the KJV say 'God' and most other translations say 'He'?

    I found this explanation and thought it would be helpful to share it. I will make it the next post. Needless to say, expect the Trinitarians to argue that “God manifest in the flesh” is the correct translation, meaning that they believe that the  KJV got it right, while most others are wrong.


    The text that the KJV was translated from was tampered with.

    As Kerwin points out, giving a gender to the Greek is speculative.

    and as Kerwin points out, if neuter, it would relate to the mystery of godliness, the great mystery of Ephesians 3 Romans 16 and Colossians 1 and I Corinthians

    “great is the mystery of godliness which was manifested in the flesh….”

    #367565
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2013,03:04)
    T8……….Tell me this why do you understanding the Jesus is not a God then say he was a God *the word” mentioned in John 1:1.?

    peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………….gene


    Your not paying attention Gene because I do not say that.

    #367566
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Jan. 25 2013,23:43)
    Philippians 2:6

    New International Version (NIV)

    6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
      did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

    well it says there that Christ is God. WHO, BEING IN VERY NATURE GOD

    see that t8? Christ has the same nature just like his father. nature GOD.


    Jammin, this is not far from the truth.

    Jesus came from God when there was no other nature but God's. Then God though him created life, all the other natures and things.

    The great news is that this Jesus is in the glory that he had with God before the world began and his current body is how our body will be. For our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.

    Further, we are taught clearly that we too can partake of this nature which is divine nature.

    None of this was ever meant to be taken to mean that Jesus is God, rather that he is the son of God and we are the sons of God. John was right when he said that we are the children of God. To be children of God and brethren of Jesus as it is written, means that we can partake of his nature too which is also written.

    Jesus is the son of God. Not even Hell can dispel this truth. Saying that Jesus is God because he has God's nature is like saying that Eve is Adam himself because she shares his nature.

    #367590
    terraricca
    Participant

    all

    1 Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    let understand the following scripture ;

    Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

    according to Jesus could God be manifested personally in the flesh ???NO ,because he is spirit

    so the only way he could be is by representation by someone in the flesh

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