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It is not calling Jesus “the mystery of godliness”, Kerwin.
Here, try another translation:
1 Tim 3:16 NET
And we all agree our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.Or try one of these:
NLT
…….the great mystery of our faith……….MSG
This Christian life is a great mystery………….BBE
……..great is the secret of religion……..NRSV
……..the mystery of our religion is great………You need only read the descriptions that I bolded above to know that no one fits the bill except for Jesus Christ.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,11:10) Ed, I'm just basing my understanding on what is actually written. And I don't have to add the word “IN” to explain my understanding to others – like you do.
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,07:40) It is not calling Jesus “the mystery of godliness”, Kerwin. Here, try another translation:
1 Tim 3:16 NET
And we all agree our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.Or try one of these:
NLT
…….the great mystery of our faith……….MSG
This Christian life is a great mystery………….BBE
……..great is the secret of religion……..NRSV
……..the mystery of our religion is great………You need only read the descriptions that I bolded above to know that no one fits the bill except for Jesus Christ.
Mike,Those translations seem to have taken a few liberties with the clause mystery of godliness/mystery of piety. Faith and religion are better translated from different Greek words. The MSG sounds like an acceptable translation as Christian life is equivalent to godliness/piety.
mustérion is “anything hidden, a mystery”
eusebeia is “piety, godliness”The long definition of mustérion is a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
You already know that the word translated angels is messengers. Seen by angels does not make seen by messengers who then proclaimed it among Gentiles does.
analambanó is somewhat ambiguous in meaning but can certainly be translated as taken up but I have taken up the gospel in glory does not mean the same as Jesus was taken up in glory.
It can therefore be speaking of the gospel or the words “taken up in glory” are out of order and it is speaking of Jesus.
Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,07:40) It is not calling Jesus “the mystery of godliness”, Kerwin. Here, try another translation:
1 Tim 3:16 NET
And we all agree our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.Or try one of these:
NLT
…….the great mystery of our faith……….MSG
This Christian life is a great mystery………….BBE
……..great is the secret of religion……..NRSV
……..the mystery of our religion is great………You need only read the descriptions that I bolded above to know that no one fits the bill except for Jesus Christ.
Mike,Those translations seem to have taken a few liberties with the clause mystery of godliness/mystery of piety. Faith and religion are better translated from different Greek words. The MSG sounds like an acceptable translation as Christian life is equivalent to godliness/piety.
mustérion is “anything hidden, a mystery”
eusebeia is “piety, godliness”The long definition of mustérion is a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
You already know that the word translated angels is messengers. Seen by angels does not make seen by messengers who then proclaimed it among Gentiles does.
analambanó is somewhat ambiguous in meaning but can certainly be translated as taken up but I have taken up the gospel in glory does not mean the same as Jesus was taken up in glory.
It can therefore be speaking of the gospel or the words “taken up in glory” are out of order and it is speaking of Jesus.
if you just can READ your imagination kerwin.Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,13:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
T8,I am the one that stated it may instead be the gospel. My point being that the order of events is wrong for it being Jesus Christ.
I also have trouble with the statement “seen of angels” which I believe would be better rendered “seen of messengers”.
Quote (jammin @ Jan. 29 2013,14:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,07:40) It is not calling Jesus “the mystery of godliness”, Kerwin. Here, try another translation:
1 Tim 3:16 NET
And we all agree our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.Or try one of these:
NLT
…….the great mystery of our faith……….MSG
This Christian life is a great mystery………….BBE
……..great is the secret of religion……..NRSV
……..the mystery of our religion is great………You need only read the descriptions that I bolded above to know that no one fits the bill except for Jesus Christ.
Mike,Those translations seem to have taken a few liberties with the clause mystery of godliness/mystery of piety. Faith and religion are better translated from different Greek words. The MSG sounds like an acceptable translation as Christian life is equivalent to godliness/piety.
mustérion is “anything hidden, a mystery”
eusebeia is “piety, godliness”The long definition of mustérion is a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
You already know that the word translated angels is messengers. Seen by angels does not make seen by messengers who then proclaimed it among Gentiles does.
analambanó is somewhat ambiguous in meaning but can certainly be translated as taken up but I have taken up the gospel in glory does not mean the same as Jesus was taken up in glory.
It can therefore be speaking of the gospel or the words “taken up in glory” are out of order and it is speaking of Jesus.
if you just can READ your imagination kerwin.
Jammin,That is another of you emotional responses. What do you think is of my imagination?
Weren't you taught to do your work?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,11:10) Ed, I'm just basing my understanding on what is actually written. And I don't have to add the word “IN” to explain my understanding to others – like you do.
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother. I believe the same thing happens to us as it did Jesus when we recieve The Holy Spirit fron our Heavenly Father and we do become Son and Daughters of GOD , and also start to take on God's very Nature, as Jesus did also. It all fits brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,00:20) eusebeia is “piety, godliness”
From NETNotes:
tn Grk “great is the mystery of [our] religion,” or “great is the mystery of godliness.”The word “mystery” denotes a secret previously hidden in God, but now revealed and made widely known (cf. Rom 16:25; 1 Cor 2:7; 4:1; Eph 1:9; 3:3, 4, 9; 6:19; Col 1:26-27; 4:3).
“Religion” (εὐσέβεια, eusebeia) is a word used frequently in the pastorals with a range of meanings: (1) a certain attitude toward God – “devotion, reverence”; (2) the conduct that befits that attitude – “godliness, piety”; and (3) the whole system of belief and approach to God that forms the basis for such attitude and conduct – “religion, creed.”
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,01:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
Hi t8,I know the verse is most definitely about Christ, for no one else fits the things said.
But I don't believe the verse is actually CALLING Jesus “the mystery of godliness”. I understand it more like the way the versions I posted for Kerwin render it, ie: We all agree our religion contains amazing mysteries: He [Christ] was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
In other words, I don't think Jesus HIMSELF is the “amazing mystery” Paul speaks of. I believe he is speaking about God working in mysterious ways, by sending His Son, who was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Understand now?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,05:21) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 29 2013,14:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,07:40) It is not calling Jesus “the mystery of godliness”, Kerwin. Here, try another translation:
1 Tim 3:16 NET
And we all agree our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.Or try one of these:
NLT
…….the great mystery of our faith……….MSG
This Christian life is a great mystery………….BBE
……..great is the secret of religion……..NRSV
……..the mystery of our religion is great………You need only read the descriptions that I bolded above to know that no one fits the bill except for Jesus Christ.
Mike,Those translations seem to have taken a few liberties with the clause mystery of godliness/mystery of piety. Faith and religion are better translated from different Greek words. The MSG sounds like an acceptable translation as Christian life is equivalent to godliness/piety.
mustérion is “anything hidden, a mystery”
eusebeia is “piety, godliness”The long definition of mustérion is a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.
You already know that the word translated angels is messengers. Seen by angels does not make seen by messengers who then proclaimed it among Gentiles does.
analambanó is somewhat ambiguous in meaning but can certainly be translated as taken up but I have taken up the gospel in glory does not mean the same as Jesus was taken up in glory.
It can therefore be speaking of the gospel or the words “taken up in glory” are out of order and it is speaking of Jesus.
if you just can READ your imagination kerwin.
Jammin,That is another of you emotional responses. What do you think is of my imagination?
Weren't you taught to do your work?
may God open your eyes.KJV says Christ is God in 1tim 3.16
you may use other version for you to find out who is the God in 1tim 3.16Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,11:02) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 29 2013,01:12) Agreed. The mystery of godliness could be Christ. Why couldn't it be Mike? I was unable to follow your point.
Hi t8,I know the verse is most definitely about Christ, for no one else fits the things said.
But I don't believe the verse is actually CALLING Jesus “the mystery of godliness”. I understand it more like the way the versions I posted for Kerwin render it, ie: We all agree our religion contains amazing mysteries: He [Christ] was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
In other words, I don't think Jesus HIMSELF is the “amazing mystery” Paul speaks of. I believe he is speaking about God working in mysterious ways, by sending His Son, who was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Understand now?
GOD working in mysterious ways,by sending his son? LOLwhere can you read that in 1tim 3.16? do you have version for that>?
it only exist again in you imagination
Well jammin,
1. Does God work in mysterious ways? YES or NO?
2. Did God send His Son into the world? YES or NO?
3. Has any existing spirit being ever been made into a human before Jesus? YES or NO?
Yep, God sure worked in a very mysterious way when He sent His own firstborn spirit son into the world to die for the sins of human beings.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 30 2013,06:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2013,11:10) Ed, I'm just basing my understanding on what is actually written. And I don't have to add the word “IN” to explain my understanding to others – like you do.
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother. I believe the same thing happens to us as it did Jesus when we recieve The Holy Spirit fron our Heavenly Father and we do become Son and Daughters of GOD , and also start to take on God's very Nature, as Jesus did also. It all fits brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.
Hi Mike,Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak,
but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,11:22) Well jammin, 1. Does God work in mysterious ways? YES or NO?
2. Did God send His Son into the world? YES or NO?
3. Has any existing spirit being ever been made into a human before Jesus? YES or NO?
Yep, God sure worked in a very mysterious way when He sent His own firstborn spirit son into the world to die for the sins of human beings.
do not make questions mike.
i want you to read your added words to the verse.can you give me version or not?
i do not like stories. you should learn the right way to read a bible
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2013,00:20) eusebeia is “piety, godliness”
From NETNotes:
tn Grk “great is the mystery of [our] religion,” or “great is the mystery of godliness.”The word “mystery” denotes a secret previously hidden in God, but now revealed and made widely known (cf. Rom 16:25; 1 Cor 2:7; 4:1; Eph 1:9; 3:3, 4, 9; 6:19; Col 1:26-27; 4:3).
“Religion” (εὐσέβεια, eusebeia) is a word used frequently in the pastorals with a range of meanings: (1) a certain attitude toward God – “devotion, reverence”; (2) the conduct that befits that attitude – “godliness, piety”; and (3) the whole system of belief and approach to God that forms the basis for such attitude and conduct – “religion, creed.”
Mike,thréskeia is the Greek word for both religion and worship.
Examples are:
James 1:27
King James Version (KJV)27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
and
Colossians 2:18
King James Version (KJV)18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
The short definition is ritual worship, religion
Note: My source is bible source by biblos.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.
“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:20)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,13:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 30 2013,10:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2013,13:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 29 2013,15:59)
Hi Mike,The Word is made flesh every time one is “born Again”(of the HolySpirit).
ED J……….I also agree with that statement brother.
Great! Now just show me the scripture that says so.
“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” (Matt 10:20)
LOLthis guy is so funny.
LOLhe always connects other verses to john 1.1 as long as he sees a word “word” or speak. LOL
study the context boy. study hard! LOL
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