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Mike………….You mixing up Spirits with Beings, Spirit are NOT BEINGS, Spirit is (INTELLECT) of the MIND, If a person has a (ADVERSARIAL) SPIRIT (IN) him HE OR SHE IS A SATAN. Just as Peter was when he confronted Jesus, and Jesus said to him get behind me Satan. Jesus was not kidding or meaning someone else when he called Peter a Satan, he meant Peter was indeed a Satan or Adversary (at that time)> The same as Judas and the Pharisee were. Remember when Jesus said he had Prayed for Peter because Satan was wanting to sift him as flower and Jesus prayed that His (Peter's) faith would not fail. You see Peter had a adversarial Spirit (intellect) THAT TROUBLE HIM and would have prevented him from remaining faithful, Jesus saw this (IN) Peter and besought GOD the Father for extra Help for Peter so he would not fall away from following him. It was not some “mystery” Being doing that but Peters own personal way of thinking that was the problem with him. Adversarial Spirits are in nearly all mankind or man would not have rebelled in the first place, it is indeed the power of the Air and rests in the hearts and minds of those people who have great power on this earth today and was even in the days of the Apostles and Jesus.
Eph 6:12 …> For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
This spiritual wickedness is (IN) People who are evil spirit minded people who are in position of authority and power in high place in governments and corporations, controlling people with their wealth and power. It is a Spiritual war fare not flesh and Blood (body) one. But the Spirits (IN) those bodies minds. IMO
peace and love…………………………………gene
Just answer the Rev scripture, Gene. If you believe ANGELS are real, then why not the wicked ruler of a third of them, Satan? Men who live ON the earth cannot be hurled TO the earth, Gene.
So it is definitely spiritual angels who are hurled to the earth. Who are they hurled to the earth WITH? The original serpent, presumably the one from the Garden of Eden.
mike
Mike………….Angels can have an ADVERSARIAL Spirit in them just as you or I or anyone else can. And if they are following that Spirit then they are serving it and will be cast down from there position just as anyone who is following it will. As far as rulers go what ever a man or angel is overcome by rules him. Rather the Spirit (intellect) of GOD or a Spirit (intellect) of an ADVERSARY (SATAN)> IMO
peace and love………………………………………….gene
To All…….>The Spirit of an ADVERSARY or Satan, is simply another word that can and is Personalized in scripture, just the same way as Wisdom is call a She. These are simply (distinct attributes) of Spirits (INTELLECTS) that can be part of our mental makeups. By not understanding what Spirit in its simplest form is , is a major stumbling block in understanding scripture and when you don't understand it then all kind of things are produced like Spirit (BEINGS) Jumping in and out of People spooks Ghost and the like, When in fact Spirit is (intellects) of Clean or unclean or Good and Evil that are effect all of our minds, because so a man thinks so he or she (IS)
The only thing that can move in and out of people is spirits (types of intellects) AND THESE TYPES OF INTELLECTS control and animate us and control the way we live. It is crucial we get the MYSTERY out of OUR Religious Beliefs and seek sound truth of a Sound Mind, not minds instable and Mysteriously lead by false teachers who derived their teachings from pagan Greek and Roman theologies which found their way into the True Churches of GOD and have corrupted it.
These are just some of the basic things that need to be CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
What a SOUL (IS)
What a SPIRIT (IS)
What and who God the Father (IS)
What The Word of GOD (IS)
What are the Seven Spirit of GOD
What the SPIRIT of TRUTH (IS)
What FAITH (IS)
Who and What Jesus really (WAS) and (IS) was he a MAN or a Deity (GOD).
When was Jesus Born into (Existence) as a ( SENTINEL BEING)I could make a list of hundreds of things that have been obscured by MYSTERY RELIGIONS that confuse the minds of most all “Christendom” And this Site if nothing else Proves this lack of true sound Knowledge By countless speculations and one word Doctrine teachings that ignore the rest of scriptures dealing with the subjects being discussed. There seem to be a lack of the ability to take Scripture as a Whole Here instead of focusing on ONE Word or one Sentence and basing a persons belief on it, even if it flies in the face of all others scriptures that deny that concept. It like the saying “YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST BECAUSE OF THE TREES”. IMO
peace and love…………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2011,21:52) Mike………….Angels can have an ADVERSARIAL Spirit in them just as you or I or anyone else can.
Gene,Are you even following what you are saying through to the completion of the whole thought?
If these angels who have an “adversarial spirit in them” and are cast down to earth are REAL, then how can you say the great dragon, who is called “devil” and “Satan” is NOT REAL?
mike
Mike……….The Great Dragon is the Force behind all of it, that force is not a BEING but a SPIRIT (intellect) that is (IN) Beings . Just as this adversarial Spirit (intellect) was in Peter and Judas and the Pharisees, it can also be in Angels as well. Your problem is you simply do not know what Spirit really (IS). IMO
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 19 2011,11:46) Mike……….The Great Dragon is the Force behind all of it, that force is not a BEING but a SPIRIT (intellect) that is (IN) Beings .
So Eve's own (INTELLECT) is what tempted her in the Garden of Eden? And she just made up a story about being tempted by a serpent? And God decided that this (INTELLECT) that tempted Eve should forevermore crawl upon it's belly and eat dust?
mike
Mike……….. Where did i say it was (THEIR) OWN INTELLECT not Spirit (intellect) is a persons alone all spirit is given by GOD to Exist. That includes the SPIRIT of an ADVERSARY That Adversarial Spirit is necessary for us to draw comparisons and reasoning with, when it is contrary to GOD we must Master it and can with the (Spirit of Truth) the same way Jesus did.
I tell you the truth, (THAT) SPIRIT (INTELLECT) is (IN) ALL Men and Women in YOU and I and we must with the POWER of GOD MASTER and OVERCOME Any Adversarial Spirit the goes against GOD'S WILL> Jesus in the Wilderness was Not overcoming a Sentinel Being a LUCIFER Being of any kind, it was what was (IN) HIMSELF he OVERCAME With the SPIRIT of GOD, the same way WE MUST also OVERCOME that Self Nature also when it is against GOD'S WILL. Remember “TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES (EVEN) AS I HAVE OVERCOME> The word even there means the same way. Jesus did not overcome by his OWN So-Called Free WILL By HIMSELF, But by the POWER of GOD (IN) Him he was able to put that (adversarial spirit) WILL to DEATH, we must also Put OUR WILL to death where it differs from GOD'S WILL TO> IMO
peace and love…………………………………………..gene
Yeah Gene,
But who did God say this to:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.mike
Mike………..If you had read (ALL) of Jodi's explanation of that you would know the answer, Man is the Serpent who goes about to serve his own Belly appetites and return to the dust in which he cam. The Worm Jesus referenced was this subtle nature in man and it Must die or it will be burned (recieve Intense Judgment ) until it does.This spirit Nature which is in all men is the nature of a serpent , it is sneaky and subtitle it is the Spirit of an Adversarial nature and opposed to GOD, and even exists Here. If you understood what SPIRIT really Was it could be easy for you to realize this, but because you think spirit is a Person , Like a Satan or Angels or GOD you are not able to understand. Satan is a SPIRIT and not a person as you falsely assume Just as wisdom is not a She or Jesus as some here assume it is.
Peace and love……………………………………..gene
Wrong answer, Gene.
The words, “Jehovah God said to the serpent…………” are right there in the Hebrew. Here's the order of events:
1. The man is questioned
2. The woman is questioned
3. The serpent is cursed
4. Sentence is passed on the woman
5. Sentence is passed on the manThe serpent is a serpent, just like it says. Why is it that you always go for these abstract and nonsensical meanings to every scripture?
I'll tell you what, PROVE Jodi's claim through scriptures. PROVE that there wasn't a real serpent in the Garden of Eden. PROVE that Jesus was tempted by “his own desires” or “his own adversarial spirit”. You can't Gene. Because Jesus' own “adversarial spirit” couldn't have offered Jesus all the kingdoms in the world for an act of worship.
Prove that Satan wasn't as real as the angels he was hurled down to earth with. You can't.
In fact, give me ONE single scripture that would even imply that Satan wasn't a real being.
mike
Gene: I just tapped in to this thread. I have read it all and will read it again. Excellent commentary without a doubt!! As revelations come to me I somtimes know a truth to be a truth but without full understanding for a while. I'm a little dull mentally. This commentary cemented this truth for me. I get so excited when that light of understanding comes on. Thank you so much for the clarity of this truth. You have such great insight, I enjoy reading your posts. May God grant you continual revelations of deep truths and understanding to enlighten us all. When we are full of light we will see no evil. Love sees no evil. God bless you with abundant truth. TK
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2011,14:45) Yeah Gene, But who did God say this to:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.mike
Mike………..I suppose you also believe it was real Fruit of a real tree they picked and ate also right Mike? Listen the book of Genesis is full of Metaphoric and Symbolic language. You accuse me of my own thoughts into the text , but you have no problem injecting your, like saying the Us and OUR in Genesis is talking about GOD and Jesus right. So don't give us this Bull you yourself do all the time.If we follow you narrow views then we can say Peter was SATAN and Judas was the DEVIL and the Pharisees were real childern of Devils. How can you fit that into you real Satan (BEING) Dogmas you preach.This is all metaphoric language. The word serpent is A DESCRIPTOR to show how subtle this Spirit(intellect) nature is, and How it CAN work against GOD and His word.
Mike this might help you,, the word Tree in Genesis is a metaphor for (that which produced from self)> and the word (eat ) means to take to you self> God was simply telling Adam and Eve Not to take to themselves to produce the Knowledge of Good and Evil> Just that simple . IMO
peace and love………………………..gene
Tim! Is there a Lake of Fire?
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Luk 10:21 ¶ In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].
Don't you believe Jesus either?
? God lets Job be tested by Satan….
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
And Jesus too…
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
In the Millennium Satan will be chained , but after that He will be loosed to deceive many…..
You should asked some that were possessed by Demons if they were real….
Irene……….Just two simple things, Job was NOT TESTED by Satan or No one, Job was (corrected) by the intense Judgements of God. And the adversarial Spirit did leave Jesus suddenly like lighting, but that was not a SATAN BEING as YOU (ASSUME) . But His (OWN) Adversarial (Satan) Nature which He put to death and as a result he overcame his (OWN) Will. WE all must MASTER it, (our Adversarial Natures), in order to become like Jesus we must overcome (AS) He did. That is with the Word and Power of GOD the same way he did.
Tell us if you believe in a SATAN “BEING” , what does he look like then , does He have a red Pitch fork and ware a red suit and does he go around jumping in and out of people taken control of there minds on his own authority at will . Can i say Satan caused me to sin and therefore i was not responsible for them. Can i tell God to not judge me for what some other actual “Being” has done to me. Why has not one in 6000 years of human history ever seen Satan was he Peter?, Jesus seemed to think PETER was a SATAN> If you understood that the Word SATAN simply mean ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (intellect) you could easily understand this. It is all because you do Not Know what a SPIRIT (IS)>IMO
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2011,16:54) Irene……….Just two simple things, Job was NOT TESTED by Satan or No one, Job was (corrected) by the intense Judgements of God. And the adversarial Spirit did leave Jesus suddenly like lighting, but that was not a SATAN BEING as YOU (ASSUME) . But His (OWN) Adversarial (Satan)
Hi GeneAnathema! So Jesus was possessed by satan now?
What a horible blasphemous doctrine that claims our Lord had an adversarial (anti god) spirit!!!
WJ
Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan.
Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,09:18) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2011,16:54) Irene……….Just two simple things, Job was NOT TESTED by Satan or No one, Job was (corrected) by the intense Judgements of God. And the adversarial Spirit did leave Jesus suddenly like lighting, but that was not a SATAN BEING as YOU (ASSUME) . But His (OWN) Adversarial (Satan)
Hi GeneAnathema! So Jesus was possessed by satan now?
What a horible blasphemous doctrine that claims our Lord had an adversarial (anti god) spirit!!!
WJ
Hi! I don't always agree with you, but this time I am on your side. To even think Jesus had a wrong thought to be tested by Himself, it does not even make sense…..I find it dangerous not to believe that Satan who was a beautiful Angel a Cherub, who became so vain that He wanted to sit on Gods throne…..Plenty of Scriptures too…..Oh, well can't win them all…..
Peace and love Irene
PS How about being my neighbor on Face Book? I am taking care of 3 Farms now. Our 19 year old Granddaughter and our 9 year old Grandson…..You know what else, I found that on Face Book are some real nice people, not like HN where it is getting so nasty lately…..Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,10:03) Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan. Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Tim! How can you even say something like that. When Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the Law and gave us the great commandments. He would have sinned if He thought wrongly. That is what magnified did, you now can sin just by thinking wrong of anything and any body…… Or don't you believe that? or maybe you don't….Making the Son of God look like that is so uncalled for. He never was just a mere man. He came forth from God and not from the dust of the earth. If He would have been a mere man, He would have sinned too. Or don't you believe in the Scripture that tells us that all have fallen short of the glory of GOD. BUT i BELIEVE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE JESUS….. He was flesh and blood yes, in that way He was like us, just being the literal Son of God makes Him different. BTW If you believe that Jesus has to be exactly like us, show me a Scripture that says so….Also you did not answer my previous question. Is there a Lake of Fire?
Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,11:16) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,10:03) Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan. Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Tim! How can you even say something like that. When Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the Law and gave us the great commandments. He would have sinned if He thought wrongly. That is what magnified did, you now can sin just by thinking wrong of anything and any body…… Or don't you believe that? or maybe you don't….Making the Son of God look like that is so uncalled for. He never was just a mere man. He came forth from God and not from the dust of the earth. If He would have been a mere man, He would have sinned too. Or don't you believe in the Scripture that tells us that all have fallen short of the glory of GOD. BUT i BELIEVE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE JESUS….. He was flesh and blood yes, in that way He was like us, just being the literal Son of God makes Him different. BTW If you believe that Jesus has to be exactly like us, show me a Scripture that says so….Also you did not answer my previous question. Is there a Lake of Fire?
Peace Irene
Irene: God bless you. I have heard you use a phrase before that is common in relgious circles, “Jesus magnified the law” with his sermon on the mountain. This is not true.In fact if you read closely each time Jesus answered someone who believed they were under the law and doing good under the law, he would point out an area where the law failed to do
what the person was attempting. Acting good, doing good, helping others, kindness or any other act or duty or deed will not perfect a man unto God. Those are outward signs from an individual. God cleaned up the inside. The heart. Where creation takes place in a son of God.
The mind of man is where creation begins for his very life. What he incubates in his heart and meditates on and finally speaks out is what he draws to his experience of life. You live what you believe in your heart. If you think and dwell on things you don't want you will draw them to your life too.
Jesus died so that you would not think you are a “mere” woman. Putting Jesus on a pedestal does not make him happy. Believing what he came and died for makes him happy.
Why do you quote past tense, “all have fallen short of the glory of God…” when that was the case but now…”we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus…”!
Jesus does not have to be like us, we need to be like him!
The scripture say…”when we see him, we will be like him, for as he is, so are we, in this world…”! If your not like him, you won't see him!!!Be ye born again unto new thinking, the “lake of fire” is the spirit of burning that burns away the chaff or wrong thinking. The lake of fire is burning away error(sin) thinking, the lake of fire is burning away (evil) thinking. Yes there is the spirit of fire burning away wrong thinking. IMO, TK
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