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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,20:50) Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,11:16) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,10:03) Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan. Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Tim! How can you even say something like that. When Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the Law and gave us the great commandments. He would have sinned if He thought wrongly. That is what magnified did, you now can sin just by thinking wrong of anything and any body…… Or don't you believe that? or maybe you don't….Making the Son of God look like that is so uncalled for. He never was just a mere man. He came forth from God and not from the dust of the earth. If He would have been a mere man, He would have sinned too. Or don't you believe in the Scripture that tells us that all have fallen short of the glory of GOD. BUT i BELIEVE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE JESUS….. He was flesh and blood yes, in that way He was like us, just being the literal Son of God makes Him different. BTW If you believe that Jesus has to be exactly like us, show me a Scripture that says so….Also you did not answer my previous question. Is there a Lake of Fire?
Peace Irene
Irene: God bless you. I have heard you use a phrase before that is common in relgious circles, “Jesus magnified the law” with his sermon on the mountain. This is not true.In fact if you read closely each time Jesus answered someone who believed they were under the law and doing good under the law, he would point out an area where the law failed to do
what the person was attempting. Acting good, doing good, helping others, kindness or any other act or duty or deed will not perfect a man unto God. Those are outward signs from an individual. God cleaned up the inside. The heart. Where creation takes place in a son of God.
The mind of man is where creation begins for his very life. What he incubates in his heart and meditates on and finally speaks out is what he draws to his experience of life. You live what you believe in your heart. If you think and dwell on things you don't want you will draw them to your life too.
Jesus died so that you would not think you are a “mere” woman. Putting Jesus on a pedestal does not make him happy. Believing what he came and died for makes him happy.
Why do you quote past tense, “all have fallen short of the glory of God…” when that was the case but now…”we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus…”!
Jesus does not have to be like us, we need to be like him!
The scripture say…”when we see him, we will be like him, for as he is, so are we, in this world…”! If your not like him, you won't see him!!!Be ye born again unto new thinking, the “lake of fire” is the spirit of burning that burns away the chaff or wrong thinking. The lake of fire is burning away error(sin) thinking, the lake of fire is burning away (evil) thinking. Yes there is the spirit of fire burning away wrong thinking. IMO, TK
Tim! What you are doing is ignoring a lot of Scriptures. The great Commandment has NOT been nailed on the cross. To say we are under grace only, would be ignoring that. Jesus came to earth, to be our Scarifies. That means that the Animal scarifies has been taken away, no more needed, because He is our perfect Scarifies..
Jesus is our Mediator that when we do sin, not intentionally, we can go to the Throne of God and ask for the forgiveness of that sin…Sin also has not been imputed to us, but all that does not mean we now never sin.
Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.Jesus gave us the New Covenant in
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Then Jesus gave us the great Commandments in
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
On the Sermon on the Mount jesus said a lot maybe YOU need to read up on it. It is not that all of this has been nailed to the cross, it is that we now do not die any longer, we have that perfect Scarifies and Mediator. Why would we have a Mediator if what YOU say we don't sin any longer….
What you are saying that we have to be like Jesus is true, but you are misleading people by saying that we have already overcome all of ourself, is that what YOU implying?
I think I am reading
you right about that.
On the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said:” If you are angry with your brother, you have committed Murder in your Heart. When you look at a woman in lust you have already committed adultery. ect. That is what is meant by magnifying the Law. And YOU are saying Jesus is lying? If we love each other we won't do anything that would hurt them, but we are still Human, and in this flesh we will sin, not intentionally though….1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I truly believe that you go by the New Age religion, but be aware they will lead you astray, if you do follow them…..That is what I believe…..And Scriptures say so…….
One more thing, we should all walk in righteousness, however just a slip of your tongue can make you sin…..We should all strife to be more like Christ, but John tells it right….And He walked along side His half Brother, and our Brother….So be aware… Satan loves those who don't see what Jesus taught us about the Great Commandment and the Sermon on the Mount….
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,10:03) Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan. Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Tim………..You have it right brother, Jesus Mastered the Adversarial Spirit Nature that all men must come to master as Cain the first (born from mankind) sinner , was told by God sin lies at his door (of his heart) and he must Master it. That is what is taking place with all mankind and was also taking place also with Jesus and He mastered it (in the wilderness) This SPIRIT of and ADVERSARY which worked in HIM and works in all mankind He MASTERED it by the Power of GOD. And we must also Master it by the Same way He Did. IMOpeace and love to you and Yours…………………..gene
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,09:18) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2011,16:54) Irene……….Just two simple things, Job was NOT TESTED by Satan or No one, Job was (corrected) by the intense Judgements of God. And the adversarial Spirit did leave Jesus suddenly like lighting, but that was not a SATAN BEING as YOU (ASSUME) . But His (OWN) Adversarial (Satan)
Hi GeneAnathema! So Jesus was possessed by satan now?
What a horible blasphemous doctrine that claims our Lord had an adversarial (anti god) spirit!!!
WJ
WJ………. Who said anything about Jesus being “POSSESSED” by Satan or an Adversarial Spirit, that is your reading into what i said but Not what i said Wj, you should try harder to tell the truth her WJ>So in your mind Jesus was truly NOT tempted as we are right ? O, that's right, you believe He was a GOD , so in you mind he could not be tempted with sin as we are , so we can not (truly) overcome (AS) He did right?> Because he was a God not a mere man right?.
WJ , your preexistence views of Jesus is what is a blasphemous doctrine , you teach the Separation of Jesus from ourselves and our EXACT IDENTITY, and that is the Spirit (intellect) of Antichrist John was talking about , You have turned the “IMAGE” of Jesus into the Man of SIN as Paul describe in 2Ths 2, Not me, it is you who teach the LIE about Jesus being a GOD, Not I Brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
WJ…………The word Satan means Adversary, it does not mean a Being . IT is a SPIRIT (intellect) of an Adversary , So Jesus could easily and rightly say to Peter Get behind Me SATAN or (Adversary), because Peter was acting as one to him. WJ Jodi explained this in great detail you before IMO .
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2011,09:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2011,14:45) Yeah Gene, But who did God say this to:
Genesis 3:14
So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.mike
Mike………..I suppose you also believe it was real Fruit of a real tree they picked and ate also right Mike? Listen the book of Genesis is full of Metaphoric and Symbolic language………….blah, blah, blah………peace and love, gene
Just answer the question, Gene. Thanks.And peace and love right back at you,
mikeMike………You are the one insisting there was a REAL SERPENT Their, so why can you tell us what it looked like, was it a talking SNAKE because snakes go around on their Bellies , perhaps he had legs then, and GOD took them away so He could go around on his belly jumping in and out of people?> If you are insisting on a (BEING)or PERSON, CALL LUCIFER OR SATAN THEN tell us what he looks like , Have you ever seen him? I have hear some say they have and they have made hundreds of movies about him and what he looks like, which one fits your idea of his appearance. Go back and reread what Jodi posted on this subject would be my advice to you. IMO
peace and love back to you also ………………………………….gene
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,21:34) Great peace and love to two great men. Mike and Gene. God/Men! IMO, TK
Tim! great men sometimes don't understand. Also I am still waiting for your reply to my post to you on this page.
Peace IreneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 27 2011,22:27) Mike………You are the one insisting there was a REAL SERPENT Their, so why can you tell us what it looked like, was it a talking SNAKE because snakes go around on their Bellies , perhaps he had legs then, and GOD took them away so He could go around on his belly jumping in and out of people?> If you are insisting on a (BEING)or PERSON, CALL LUCIFER OR SATAN THEN tell us what he looks like , Have you ever seen him? I have hear some say they have and they have made hundreds of movies about him and what he looks like, which one fits your idea of his appearance. Go back and reread what Jodi posted on this subject would be my advice to you. IMO peace and love back to you also ………………………………….gene
Really Gene?I've never seen Jesus except in the “hundreds of movies” and paintings made about him, does that mean HE doesn't exist?
Not very good reasoning. And NO, I won't “go back and read what Jodi wrote”. Why should I? If you are so sure that Satan doesn't exist, then you should easily be able to answer simple questions, right? Like who was Beelzebub that Jesus called the ruler of the demons? Who were these demons that Jesus expelled? If the demons were real spirits, then why would you assume the one Jesus called their leader is not real?
mike
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,04:34) Great peace and love to two great men. Mike and Gene. God/Men! IMO, TK
Excuse me?Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,21:41) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,20:50) Quote (Baker @ Mar. 26 2011,11:16) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 26 2011,10:03) Wj: To live in he earth realm everyone (including Jesus) must overcome, by their own free will choice, any adversarial or destructive thinking about self or others. Love is the great power of life from God that creates and inhances life as it flows through the clear, purified mind of a son of God who has rejected and defeated thoughts and beliefs that do not align with Love/God/the Father. Peter stood condemned because he was considering the best for Jesus in that moment, and not the best for Gods plan. Who said that Jesus was possesed with satan? And if a “tempter” came to Jesus was it not in his mind? Wasn't Jesus alone in the wilderness? It was a mind test. A thinking test. Even when the adversarial thinking said “all this is mine and I give it to whom I please” he was lying. The adversary IS A LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. There is God/Truth and then there are lies or distortions from men. Jesus came to reveal the truth to all Gods children. That is WHO they really are and what they are capable of doing. The darkness or inability to see or understand the real truth today is intense. You might say love has grown cold…! Powerful destructive energies have been accepted and thereby created by mankind. Its far easier to think negatively than to think positively. The Kingdom Jesus spoke of is the Love power of God that is in every human being. Yet for different reasons and things that happen, beliefs are formed that alter or taint the love and in some cases render it totally powerless.
Gene wasn't saying Jesus was possessed with a devil. He was IMO, saying that he was winning the war of the mind by refusing to submit to lies and deceptions of who he really was. Peter was the one who was accepting the idea or thought that was contrary to God. Had Peter not let that thought go at that moment he might have retained the anti-christ thought and be then possessed by the lie.
We don't struggle abainst flesh and blood, we fight a war against lies and deceptions that Kill, steal our power and destroy our lives. This is what I think Gene may be saying in his previous disertation about the adversary. I find his posts on the adversary fascinating! This is how I see it. IMO, TK
Tim! How can you even say something like that. When Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount magnified the Law and gave us the great commandments. He would have sinned if He thought wrongly. That is what magnified did, you now can sin just by thinking wrong of anything and any body…… Or don't you believe that? or maybe you don't….Making the Son of God look like that is so uncalled for. He never was just a mere man. He came forth from God and not from the dust of the earth. If He would have been a mere man, He would have sinned too. Or don't you believe in the Scripture that tells us that all have fallen short of the glory of GOD. BUT i BELIEVE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE JESUS….. He was flesh and blood yes, in that way He was like us, just being the literal Son of God makes Him different. BTW If you believe that Jesus has to be exactly like us, show me a Scripture that says so….Also you did not answer my previous question. Is there a Lake of Fire?
Peace Irene
Irene: God bless you. I have heard you use a phrase before that is common in relgious circles, “Jesus magnified the law” with his sermon on the mountain. This is not true.In fact if you read closely each time Jesus answered someone who believed they were under the law and doing good under the law, he would point out an area where the law failed to do
what the person was attempting. Acting good, doing good, helping others, kindness or any other act or duty or deed will not perfect a man unto God. Those are outward signs from an individual. God cleaned up the inside. The heart. Where creation takes place in a son of God.
The mind of man is where creation begins for his very life. What he incubates in his heart and meditates on and finally speaks out is what he draws to his experience of life. You live what you believe in your heart. If you think and dwell on things you don't want you will draw them to your life too.
Jesus died so that you would not think you are a “mere” woman. Putting Jesus on a pedestal does not make him happy. Believing what he came and died for makes him happy.
Why do you quote past tense, “all have fallen short of the glory of God…” when that was the case but now…”we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus…”!
Jesus does not have to be like us, we need to be like him!
The scripture say…”when we see him, we will be like him, for as he is, so are we, in this world…”! If your not like him, you won't see him!!!Be ye born again unto new thinking, the “lake of fire” is the spirit of burning that burns away the chaff or wrong thinking. The lake of fire is burning away error(sin) thinking, the lake of fire is burning away (evil) thinking. Yes there is the spirit of fire burning away wrong thinking. IMO, TK
Tim! What you are doing is ignoring a lot of Scriptures. The great Commandment has NOT been nailed on the cross. To say we are under grace only, would be ignoring that. Jesus came to earth, to be our Scarifies. That means that the Animal scarifies has been taken away, no more needed, because He is our perfect Scarifies..
Jesus is our Mediator that when we do sin, not intentionally, we can go to the Throne of God and ask for the forgiveness of that sin…Sin also has not been imputed to us, but all that does not mean we now never sin.
Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.Jesus gave us the New Covenant in
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Then Jesus gave us the great Commandments in
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
On the Sermon on the Mount jesus said a lot maybe YOU need to read up on it. It is not that all of this has been nailed to the cross, it is that we now do not die any longer, we have that perfect Scarifies and Mediator. Why would we have a Mediator if what YOU say we don't sin any longer….
What you are saying that we have to be like Jesus is true, but you are misleading people by saying that we have already ov
ercome all of ourself, is that what YOU implying? I think I am reading you right about that.
On the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said:” If you are angry with your brother, you have committed Murder in your Heart. When you look at a woman in lust you have already committed adultery. ect. That is what is meant by magnifying the Law. And YOU are saying Jesus is lying? If we love each other we won't do anything that would hurt them, but we are still Human, and in this flesh we will sin, not intentionally though….1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I truly believe that you go by the New Age religion, but be aware they will lead you astray, if you do follow them…..That is what I believe…..And Scriptures say so…….
One more thing, we should all walk in righteousness, however just a slip of your tongue can make you sin…..We should all strife to be more like Christ, but John tells it right….And He walked along side His half Brother, and our Brother….So be aware… Satan loves those who don't see what Jesus taught us about the Great Commandment and the Sermon on the Mount….
Peace and Love Irene
Irene: I don't know where to start. God bless your inquiry. Are you referring to the sermon Jesus gave his disciples on the mountain at Matt.5:3? If so it was a disertation of what brings blessings to the people. When Jesus got to V17 he said:Think not that I am come to “stay in or lodge in” the law, or the prophets. I am not come to “stay” but to fulfil. The same greek word translated “destroy” is the same greek word used later when Jesus sent his disciples into town to find “lodging” or a “place to stay”!
Jesus came to fulfill the requirements of the law and put it to rest. It is complete, fulfilled, ended.
That is no way magnified the Law. It completed it! IMO, TK
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2011,15:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 27 2011,22:27) Mike………You are the one insisting there was a REAL SERPENT Their, so why can you tell us what it looked like, was it a talking SNAKE because snakes go around on their Bellies , perhaps he had legs then, and GOD took them away so He could go around on his belly jumping in and out of people?> If you are insisting on a (BEING)or PERSON, CALL LUCIFER OR SATAN THEN tell us what he looks like , Have you ever seen him? I have hear some say they have and they have made hundreds of movies about him and what he looks like, which one fits your idea of his appearance. Go back and reread what Jodi posted on this subject would be my advice to you. IMO peace and love back to you also ………………………………….gene
Really Gene?I've never seen Jesus except in the “hundreds of movies” and paintings made about him, does that mean HE doesn't exist?
Not very good reasoning. And NO, I won't “go back and read what Jodi wrote”. Why should I? If you are so sure that Satan doesn't exist, then you should easily be able to answer simple questions, right? Like who was Beelzebub that Jesus called the ruler of the demons? Who were these demons that Jesus expelled? If the demons were real spirits, then why would you assume the one Jesus called their leader is not real?
mike
Mike……….But you do have a description of your Satan right according Scripture , so why couldn't you describe him then. Is it because you really do not believe he looks ( literally) like the description of him given on Genesis. I see you side stepped another issue by generalizing it . On the one hand you are absolutely sure there is a “REAL” Being called SATAN. but you fail to be able to even describe him even though the bible does. So can we safely say PETER was SATAN or Perhaps JUDAS WAS A DEVIL from the word of Jesus can we draw a conclusion or what a SATAN looks like then?Here is another view, lets suppose there is a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) of a ADVERSARIAL NATURE that exists in Man and influences his thinking causing him to resist the thing of GOD you know like Peter was doing to Jesus when Jesus said get behind me SATAN (adversary) You do not savor the things of GOD. Now do you think Jesus was Lying when he said that to Peter? I think not , I am sure Peter was a SATAN (adversary)at that point in time.
Now if you are able to understand this then it should not be hard for you to begin to put things together. Mike anyone Man or Angel can be a SATAN (ADVERSARY) of GOD, and is one if they resist and go against the thing of GOD. Just that simple , No MYSTERY Religion about is Just simple and sound and logical understanding. There are all kinds of these adversarial Spirits that can take even possession of a persons Mind and alter their thinking and they can be cast out of a person and that person can be restored to normal thinking. These Spirit are Personified in scripture as Beings when in fact they are Spirits and Spirit are not beings but Intellects> Just that simple IMO
As far as the Belezbauab thing goes , that is what the blind Superstitious Pharisees were saying , Jesus never said he agree with those ignorant words. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 29 2011,23:33) Mike……….But you do have a description of your Satan right according Scripture , so why couldn't you describe him then.
Gene,Do you have a description of Michael the Archangel? If not, does it mean he doesn't really exist?
I plan to put together a list of scriptures for you. We can discuss what they mean one at a time. But I need time to do it, so bear with me for awhile.
mike
Mike ………..Angels are beings and yes they have been seen and even described in scriptures. Your answer is like say can you describe a Man lived maned King Georg now can you describe Him seeing you never saw Him yes because other have described him and saw Him. You say that there is a BEING call Satan so why has no one ever discribed him or even said the seen this BEING, Jesus said he saw (Satan) fall like lightning. He was referencing the Spirit of an Adversary It fell its high Place of his mind to the earth so to speak, He in fact brought about the saying He shall bruise his (Jesus') heel and HE (Jesus) Shall bruise His (the adversarial Spirit) HEAD. This happened when He overcame it in the wilderness , Satan is simply the SPIRIT of an ADVERSARY and the can be (IN) anyone at anytime. That is the Spirit (intellects) we wrestle against it is in people who live in high places and control the power of the air. through Words, Pictures , Movies, powerful dictators, government systems and etc. In fact i believe the Spirit of and ADVERSARY is ONE of the Seven Spirit of GOD, and God uses it to correct us at times, as in the case of Job is a good example>IMO
peace and love………………………………….gene
Okay Gene,
Scripture #1:
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Who said the quoted part to the woman?
mike
Mike………You are the one say it was some kind of serpent Being from you misunderstanding of the scripture that was simply personifying a trait of Spirit working (IN) Eve and adversarial one that cause her to disobey GOD. This Spirit must be overcome and Mastered by all of Us Just as Jesus also did in the wilderness. The force of an Adversarial SPIRIT (satan) comes from within a person and effect his or her actions. There is no literial Serpent Being going around crawling around on his belly in the dirt. Only snake and reptiles do that. Mike be honest have you or anyone else here ever (ACTUALLY) SEEN and Literal SERPENT SATAN> I think if you would understand that some of the Seven Distinct Spirit of GOD can be Personified as Beings When in fact they are SPIRITS like Wisdom for example. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 04 2011,19:44) There is no literial Serpent Being going around crawling around on his belly in the dirt. Only snake and reptiles do that.
You do know a serpent IS a snake, right?Anyway, what's your answer? That Eve's own “adversarial spirit” was having a conversation with her?
mike
Mike……….. So let us know what this “SNAKE” You call Satan looks like , is he a cobra , a python , a coral, a rattle snake or what kind of SNAKE or SERPENT should we be look for so we can identify this LITERAL SNAKE of YOUR.
Your ask did EVE have a conversation with a REAL SNAKE or with Her self? Answer, Yes that is what we call “thinking” it and aspect of the Human Mind. That is where evil or good thoughts comes from. That propensity for Her and Adam to think that way was part of there creation. So the adversarial Spirit intellect was already in them . The problem Genesis is written in a Symbolic and Metaphoric language and requires Spiritual discernment, we can not take everything written in genesis Literally Mike, but understand the symbolic language used there. IMO
peace and love………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 20 2011,01:27) EDJ…………Go to Daniel and read where Babylon was the First of the Great Kingdoms on the earth it ruled the complete earth over all other kingdoms and then came the Persians and then then Greeks and then the Romans and so forth these are all progressive Kingdoms in History down to our very time,when God will destory it completely. They are Real kingdoms that had there start in the Great Kingdom of Babylon (the head of Gold) and lessor kingdom came from that down to the present day , This image in Daniel show (REAL) Kingdoms ruled BY REAL KINGS < Not some elusive Spook Going around ruling them. Scripture say it is GOD that Rules in the Kingdoms of Men, and He give them to whom ever HE Choses, not some elusive Satan Being jumping in and out of anyone taking control of them. EDJ there is NO LUCIFER SATAN BEING. The REAL King of Babylon was the Rising Star or(Lucifer) and the prophesy was sent to the REAL KING who exulted himself and GOD cut him Down and Showed him as the Man he was. Mystery Babylon the Great is what the whole earths Kingdoms and Religions are. They work through different kinds of MYSTERIES as you are putting forth in YOUR SATAN is LUCIFER thing, that is also part of “MYSTERY” Religious TEACHINGS>Specially when GOD shows Him (the king of Babylon) to Be a MAN , not some elusive invisible being of some kind. Your forcing the text and putting a “spiritual” spin on them to fit your beliefs Can't you see that (IS) what MYSTERY RELIGION IS ALL ABOUT?. There are NO Devils and Demon going around jumping in and out of People. The Satan's (adversaries) are the People themselves and the Kings of the earth also and their kingdoms. Not some invisible control, being accomplished by a Spirit Being called Satan or Lucifer. WE all can be a Satan or Devil at times Just as PETER was , when Jesus rebuked Him, and the Pharisees were also and Judas Jesus said was a DEVIL, not some elusive unseen (BEING) of Some KIND. Come out of that MYSTERY RELIGION and be sober minded Brother. IMO
peace and Love to you and yours……………………………………………gene
I am bringing this post up because what Gene now says ……
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