The Wicked will be destroyed

Destruction of the wicked

Scripture says that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. The same fire that destroys the ungodly is the fire that burns the heavens and earth.

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

And then this promise is given:

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So the wicked will perish and we see that this fire is so consuming that it also destroys the elements.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare

But then after everything is destroyed in this way, God creates a new Heavens and Earth where righteousness and the righteous dwell.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.b That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

But then some argue that the human soul cannot be destroyed because he made man as an eternal creature. Thus his soul cannot be destroyed and this fire and will instead, perpetually burn and the soul of a wicked man will suffer the flame for all eternity. But scripture teaches differently to this idea of eternal suffering in Hell. Besides contradicting what we just read about the destruction of the ungodly in the above verses, it is clear from this verse that everything is destroyed and a new creation comes into being. However, even more condemning for the ‘eternal soul’ view is the following scripture. It clearly shows that God in his mercy spared man the fate of living forever because of his sin.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Clearly God the merciful stopped man from eating the tree of life after he sinned, thus sparing him from living forever. Besides merciful act by God, surely you can see that God is able to destroy a man’s soul and that he will indeed do this very thing. This is all written. We either accept it or doubt the scriptures that clearly show this.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe now, that God can and will destroy the wicked forever? Do you believe that he spared the wicked from existing for all eternity? You should believe that if you believe the scriptures.

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  • #795316
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Paul says ” we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be …”

    The only when that he mention is when the sheep and the goats are present before our Lord Jesus Christ.

    #795323
    Proclaimer
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    we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

    Kerwin.

    When we are absent from the body are we present with the Lord or not?

    Is there a third stage not mentioned here? What is it?

    #795324
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Instantly?

    I cannot say for sure. It seems to be that way when you read a number of scriptures.

    I do know for sure that the dead in Christ rise before them which are alive and remain. So why do they not rise at the same time?

    We are not told specifically how much before though, in that scripture at least. It doesn’t negate being instantly with the Lord.

    And if death is no consciousness at all including no sleep, then either way, we will be with the Lord straight after we die from our perspective.

    The only way this is not true is if we die, we sleep and are conscious during that sleep.

    #795325
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Time is not relevant.

    To sleep in death is to wake and meet the Lord in the air at his return

    #795326
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes that is one explanation and a good one at that.

    #795327
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    But why the two timings?

    The dead are ahead of the living when they meet the Lord.

    Why is that?

    Surely it would happen to all in the same moment, but it says otherwise.

    #795372
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Good question.

    God’s ways are not ours.

    #795400
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It says in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. And that the dead rise before.
    So it is quick, and the dead precede the living. Thus we cannot rule out that those who are away from the body are present with the Lord.

    Given that the timing for the living is different to the dead, it fits with the idea that the dead are with Christ now.

    #795404
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You think so?

     

    There is a RESURRECTION of the dead.

    And it occurs in the twinkling of an eye, but with an order.

    So there is no evidence that some have already risen before that day.

    #795435
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If time does not mean much to an unlimited God, then why cannot those who are absent from the body be with the Lord Jesus in eternity and then at some point, all will meet the Lord in the clouds here near Earth. For all we know, all time could be a moment with God. Or a thousand years as one day. What if he took all with him in one day?

    You said it yourself, “Time is not relevant”.

    So if it is not relevant, then from an eternal point of view, the dead could be with Christ now in eternity.

    Perhaps we rely to much on our earthly perspective? Even Einstein said time works differently in the physical universe depending on your speed.

    All I know is that the dead precede the living and the graves of many broke open when Jesus rose from the grave.

    We also know that if he was raised that he will take others with him.

    But as you say, even if it happens at the end and the dead are not sleeping or if sleeping is an unconscious state, then when we die, we will awake immediately and be with the Lord from our perspective.

    I am certainly not going to say that the dead are not with Christ though.

    #795436
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    There is no mention of men being in heaven and then returned to the air of earth.

    If we have the Spirit of Christ then we are already with him now, and with him in the heavenly realms.

    col 3.1-3

    #795438
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi t8,

    Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name I am there amongst them.

    #795442
    kerwin
    Participant

    T8,

    When we are absent from the body are we present with the Lord or not?
    Is there a third stage not mentioned here? What is it?

    My point is that is does not say “When we are absent from the body are we present with the Lord” but instead says “we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” Of the two choices he gives he is stating that he prefers to be with the Lord even if it means he has no body.

    #795443
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ,

    We know that the new heavenly body is given at the time of resurrection.

    We know we will not be naked.

     

    So we wait in sleep till the trumpet calls.

    #795444
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes some tombs were opened and some were raised.

    But there is record of what happened with them

    #795445
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8

    2 Corinthians 5:4
    For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

     

    This happens at the resurrection

    #795466
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    My point is that is does not say “When we are absent from the body are we present with the Lord” but instead says “we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” Of the two choices he gives he is stating that he prefers to be with the Lord even if it means he has no body.

    So there is a another state or interim stage. No body and not with Christ?

    #795468
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This happens at the resurrection

    How long does the resurrection last? The dead rise first then we who are alive and remain.

    What proof is there that it is a matter of seconds or moments between the two.

    And why the need for that?

    #795470
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    No information available.

    But it is the DAY of the lord

    #795473
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So if you cannot answer that, then you also cannot say for sure that the dead do not rise way before those that are alive and remain.

    After all, you say the Day of the LORD, but a day to God is like a thousand years and you said something along the lines that time is irrelevant to a timeless God.

    In one day, God created the dry land, continent/s above the water and large bodies of water were called “seas” and the ground named “land.”

    In another day, he created all plant life both large and small.

    Was this the twinkling of an eye? Did it take a thousands years per day? Was it a millenium? Does it matter to a timeless infinite God?

    So it is possible that in the twinkling of an eye refers to the amount of time that we are changed from mortal to immortal and if we do not have the info to know the difference with the time between the dead who precede the living, then no one here can absolutely say that the dead in Christ are not with Christ now.

    After all, how can the term “Dead in Christ” mean they are not with CHRIST and yet be DEAD? They must be with Christ or in him surely.

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