Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

Balancing Rock Girraween

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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  • #814211
    Ed J
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    EDJ…..SHOW US WHERE THE ANGEL SAID HE WAS “ALREADY” A MESSIAH, YOU CAN’T

    Hi Gene,

    “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
    “And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
    And let all the angels of God worship him.” (Hebrews 1:6)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #814212
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    So you add your imagination and deny any prophecy and you have what you call truth?

    #814213
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    EDJ…..JESUS WAS INDEED THE MESSIAH, “THAT WAS FOR TOLD TO COME”, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHEN DID HE “ACTUALLY” BECOME THE MESSIAH, AT BERTH OR WHEN HE RECIEVED THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD ON HIM. SAYING JESUS WAS ACTUALL BORN A MESSIAH, DENIES THE WHOLE PROCESS and description of what a MESSIAH is. JESUS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A BORN MESSIAH HE BECAME ONE, JUST AS MOSES COULD NOT HAVE BEEN BEFORE HIS BERTH, MOSES WAS ALSO A MESSIAH. YOU PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE JESUS DIFFERENT THEN MOSES, BUT THE WORDS OF MOSES SAYS “THE LORD SHALL RAISE UP FRON AMONG YOUR BRETHERN, A PROPHET LIKE UNTO ME, MOSES LIKENED JESUS LIKE HIM, A MESSIAH OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD.

    WHILE ANGELS WERE TOLD TO WORSHIP HIM, WE SURE WERN’T. WE INSTEAD WERE TOLD TO HNOR AND BOW OUR KNEE TO HIM “TO THE GLORY OF GOD”, NOT TO THE GLORY OF JESUS.

    WHAT YOU AN OTHERS DO NOT UBDERSTAND IS THAT THE ANOINTING “IS GOD”, THE FATHER HIMSELFS PRESENCES IN A MAN AND EVEN NOW, JESUS HAS ALL SEVEN SPIRITS “OF GOD”, IN HIM. BUT NONE OF THAT MAKES HIM THE SEVEN SPIRIT THAT ARE IN HIM. IT WAS GODS SPIRIT THAT WAS THE ANOINTING SPIRIT IN JESUS. NOT A SINGLE SCRIPTURE SHOWS ANY ACTIVITY “OF GOD”, WHO IS the SPIRIT THAT JESUS RECIEVED, DOING ANYTHING, TILL AFTER HIS WAS BAPTIZED.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #814214
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    oops.

    The Spirit is one.

    The seven spirits are angelic.

    #814228
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..SPIRIT CAN BE SEEN AS single IN A GENERAL SENSE, AS SPIRIT “IS” SPIRIT, MUCH LIKE MAN CAN BE CONCIDERED MAN in a “general sense”, also, but to say all men are the same is not true, the same applies with spirits. THE LORD,USES SEVEN DESTINCT SPIRITS, THAT GO BEFORE HIS THRONE AND THEY EACH PRODUCE THEIR DESTINCT INTELLEGENCES, MUCH LIKE OUR FIVE SENSES PRODUCE THERE OWN DESTINCT IMPUTS TO US. WE ARE ONE BUT HAVE FIVE INPUTS EACH GIVING THEIR OWN DESTINCT IMPUTS INTO US WHICH OUR MIND USE TO GATHER IT’S INTELLEGENT DECISIONS, THE SAME WORKS WITH THE SEVEN SPIRITS THAT GO “BEFOR’ THE THRONE OF GOD.

    AS IN FLESH BEGETS FLESH, SO ALL FLESH IS FLESH, BUT NOT ALL FLESH IS EXACTLY THE SAME FLESH EACH OF US HAS OUR OWN DESTINCT QUALITY. SO WE ARE NOT ALL EXACTLY THE SAME PERSON BUT EACH DESTINCT FRON THE OTHER, SO IT IS WITH SPIRIT.

    THE SPIRIT “OF TRUTH” IS A DESTINCT “COGNISITY” THAT IMPUTS IT DESTINCT ATTRIBUTE INTO OUR MINDS INABLING US TO “percieve” , THE TRUTH FROM UNTRUTH.

    peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #814230
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    You rely on your own insights to try and show this.

    Why do you not show it from scripture?

    You have to align the verses from Ephesians and 1 Cor 12 that state the Spirit is one.

     

    How could you imagine that the Spirit of God is SEPARATE from Him in front of His throne.

    The doctrine of separation??

    #814237
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nike, follow what i wrote, it explains it, there are many if not billions of different spirits, but they “all” are spirit, just as there are billions of people, but they are “all” human being sons and daughters “of” man “kind” even so there are possible billion of spirits, which come in “types and kinds”, of spirits. SPIRIT IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST ONE, YOU KNOW THAT NICK I BELIEVE. what does GOD MEAN WHEN HE SAYS “HE GIVES “IT” A BODY JUST AS HE PLEASES, WHAT IS THE “IT” MENTIONED THERE?

    There is a parallel between flesh kind of existence and spirit existences. in fact it is spirits that give everything physical their destinct cherateristics of their behaviors. NO FLESH COULD EVEN EXIST WITHOUT SPIRITS IN IT., BECAUSE SPIRITS GIVES THEM THE VERY LIFE IN THEM ANDUS ALSO,

    THERE ARE SEVEN “SPIRITS” BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD , WE ARE TOLD IN THREE PLACES, NO SCRIPTURE SAYS OR EVEN HINTS AT THEY ARE SEVEN ANGELS, AS SOME ASSUME. NICK ANGELS ARE “NOT” SPIRITS AS MANY ASSUME THEY ARE BEING WHO HAVE SPIRITS THAT MAKES FOR THEM “IN” THEM.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #814242
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    You have drifted back into reliance on your own weak human wisdom.

    Scripture is divine wisdom and you should depend on it.

    #814292
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….IT IS “SCRIPTURE” THAT SAYS THERE “ARE” SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, that not my words but scriptures, do i need to quote them to you, I believe you know that “is” what “scripture”say not me brother. NO SCRIPTURE SAY ANGELS ARE THEMSELVES SPIRITS. There is one place in Hebrews where that is falsely applied. But what is actually said is God creates the angels spirits,just as he does ours, in no way is it saying angels are SPIRITS NO MORE THEN IF we say, we are spirits. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #814295
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    You have your own strong opinions.

    But you cannot align 1 Cor 12 and Ephesians.

    #814301
    NickHassan
    Participant

     

    Hi t8,

    2 peter 1

    21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

     

    Do you believe this was true of Jesus Christ?

    #814317
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….There are many scriptures that show there are more then one kinds and types of spirits. YOU make the claim that the seven spirits of God are angels, so it is your responsibility to produce scriptures that says that, the seven spirits are seven angels of God, right?

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #814319
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Just as soon as you align 1 Cor 12 and Ephesians.

    #814324
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….1 COR 12:10 where it says the decerning of “spirits” , what does that mean to you? why is the plural from of spirits used if there is only “one” spirit? NEITHER HAVE I SEEN ANYTHING IN EPHESIANS, SUJESTING THERE IS “ONLY” ONE SPIRIT, IN EXISTANCE.

    While it is true there is one christos, i.e. “anointing spirit” of GOD , MAKING US ALL OF ONE BODY OF BELIEVERS and administering diverious gifts in that body, THAT IS NOT SAYING THERE IS ONLY “ONE” KIND OR TYPE OF SPIRIT in existence Nick. NEITHER does any of those scriptures even remotely say spirits are angels Nick.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #814341
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….Please present the scriptures that say angels “are” spirits, I have yet to see that written in scriptures brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #814350
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    And you explain how God could be on His throne but separate from what you say are multiple spirits.

    That is clearly false.

    #814360
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….Consider this, JESUS HAS THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, along with the seven horns (powers) that go with them.

    REV 5:6 “and I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and SEVEN EYES, WHICH “ARE” THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, sent forth into all the earth.

    Now consider what eyes do, they supply us with the means to acquire information, the seven spirits of GOD do the same thing for him. they input into his mind, the information needed for him to make his decisions. ALSO the seven spirits are called seven lamps of fire burning before the throne of GOD.

    Rev 4:5 “and out of the throne proceeded lightinings and thundering and voices: and SEVEN LAMPS OF FIRE , burning before the throne which “are” the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD.

    Fire in scripture implys intense judgements, THE LORD uses those seven destinct types of judgements to judge all thing with, they act as his eyes of judgement, the are spirits just as it says they are.

    YOU should be able to understand this Nick.

    No scripture call angels spirits NICK.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    NOW CONSIDER that they are the complete God, residing “in” him, that is why the LORD said to the son “THY KINGDOM “O” GOD IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM.”

    #814365
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Just align 1 Cor 12 and Eph 4.

    Talk is cheap.

    #814377
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..ARE YOU SAYING THE SCRIPTURES I POSTED IS CHEAP TALK? I HAVE READ THOSE SCRIPTURES YOU ASK ME, AND NOT ONE SAYS SPIRITS “ARE” ANGELS Nick. PLEASE PRESENT SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS “ANGELS “ARE” SPIRITS. IF YOU CAN’T, THEN I MUST CONCLUDE YOUR “ASSUMPTIONS” ARE NOT BASED ON SCRIPTRUAL FACTS, BROTHER.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #814388
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Align the verses and rely on what is written, not your opinion of what is written

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