Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

Balancing Rock Girraween

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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  • #809819
    Proclaimer
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    T8…..GOD IS THE “ROCK” THAT THE TRUE CHURCH IS BUILT ON,

    You flip-flop between God being that rock or hearing God as being the rock.

    You appear double minded.

    #809889
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…..I AM NOT FLIP FLOPING, BOTTON LINE IS, Jesus was referencing GOD THE FATHER, AS THE ROCK, WHICH IS THE POWER, HE WOULD BUILD THE CHURCH BY. ROCK, POWER, ALL REFERENCE ONE GOD. Your effort to muddy the waters of truth changes nothing.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #809901
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Rev 1

    “The revelation of Jesus Christ

    which God gave him

    to show to His bond-servants,

    the things which must shortly take place;

    and He sent and communicated it by His angel

    to His bond servant John”

     

    And somehow John BECOMES for you that angel??

     

    #809944
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..Yes, i believe JOHN was that messenger JESUS , sent to the seven churches.

    HERE IS HOW THE GREEK ENGLISH CONCORDANCE PUTS IT, “UNCOVERING of Jesus Christ that gave to him the God to show to the slaves of him what is necessary to become in quickness, and he signified having delegated through his messenger of him to the slave of him, JOHN, who testified the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ”.

    NICK… i believe it was God the Father WHO GAVE IT TO JESUS, WHO GAVE IT TO HIS MESSENGER , JOHN, TO GIVE IT TO THE SERVANTS OF GOD.

    This is just how i see it brother, i could be wrong, but when i read itin the GREEK ENGLISH CONCORDANCE IT DOES APPEAR DIFFERENT.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #809951
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Should we search for versions favourable to our ideas.?

    #809952
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    So John is his slave, not his messenger.

    #809961
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….The word used there could be bond servant just as easely. imo

    NICK look, just read it TOTALLY and you should see it is JESUS SPEAKING TO JOHN HIS SERVANT TO THE CHURCHES. I AM NOT SAYING I AM 100 PERSENT RIGHT ON THIS BUT THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WAY, WHEN YOU PUT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE THING INTO CONTEXT.

    WHERE IT SAYS “HIS ANGEL” IT COULD READ “BY HIS OWN MESSENGER” “UNTO” WAS ADDED TO THE TEXT, GO AND READ A KING JAMESTRANSLATION THAT HAS THE TRANSLATION GREEK WORDING THERE AND YOU WILL SEE THE WORD “UNTO” DOES NOT HAVE A GREEK TRANSLATION NUMBER GIVEN THERE. BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED , IMO.

    IT NOT THE END OF THE WORLD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE WORD “UNTO” WAS ADDED.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #809963
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    “Messenger, AND the slave of him John.”

     

    It seems plain two are spoken of

    #809985
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….Not two, JOHN WAS A MESSENGER OF JESUS AS WELL AS A BOND SERVANT, WHICH IS ALSO WRITTEN AS SLAVE IN THE GREEK. NICK if you read it in the orignial Greek you can see what i am saying brother. NICK THE word ANGEL does not appear in the GREEK TEXT either, MESSENGER DOES.

    Maybe kerwin could shed some light on his subject. If you are reading this Kerwin please give your insite on what the original Greek implies.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #809990
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    So you offer us a scripture that you think says what you want it to say.

    When shown it does not you hope to find it in the Greek.

    How far will you go in defence of your own ideas?

    #810091
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..I offer what the GREEK says, word for word, and it’s not my fault you or anyone else do not accept it. The GREEK does not use the word angel there, but “messenger”, and it does show it was John, not an angelic “being”, spoken of there, as many supose. JOHN was to deliever what GOD gave to JESUS to show his servants the things that were to come, and he did it through his bond servant JOHN, WHO WROTE IT DOWN AND GAVE IT TO THE CHURCHES.

    NICK, why are you TRYING TO MAKE this about ME ? It’s not about me at all, it’s about what the text actually say. There are many mistranslated texts in our present bibles. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #810098
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    You admit you do not understand Greek but now say the translators must be wrong.

    How could anyone come to the conclusion that this had something to do with your obstinate self belief?

     

    Spirit is intellect?

    #810104
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nike ….. IF WHAT I HAVE SAID IS NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY IN THE GREEK , THEN PLEASE POINT IT OUT TO ME. I HAVE JUST QUOTED WHAT GREEK TRANSLATIONS I READ HAVE WRITTEN , IN FACT THAT WORD “UNTO” ISN’T EVEN IN ONE GREEK TRANSLATION I HAVE LOOKED AT SO FAR NOR IS ANGEL AS IN ANGELIC BEING EITHER.. THAT WAS WHY I ASK KERWIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO SEE WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT IT. Why do you simple jump over what is said and start YOUR TRASH talk, again?

    I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY IF PROVEN WRONG, SO WHY NOT SPEND YOU ENERGY TO SHOW WHERE THE TRANSLATION I HAVE OFFERED AND THE WAY IT APPEARS TO ME, IS WRONG, WOULDN’T THAT BE BETTER THEN TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK INGORANT IN OTHERS EYES.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #810153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Surely you realise that protecting your pride is not relevant in the search for truth?

    #810156
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..How is that trying to protect my pride if as i said, “I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT DIFERENTLY, IF PROVEN WRONG. PROOF IS HARDLY, the “accusitory spirit” working in you NICK.

    It appears you have the “pride” problem here, not me.

    peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #810165
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    Yes you were wrong.

    #810190
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…..As I have said I have no problem of being proven wrong,but just to say it without scriptural proof is quite a different thing.

    lets continue a little more in this subject of who was speaking to JOHN IN REVELATIONS OK? Now concider who was speaking to JOHN IN
    Rev 1:11, Was that an angel or was it JESUS SPEAKING AND TELLING John to write in a book, what he sees, and send it unto the seven churches? It appears it was Jesus himself speaking directly to JOHN, right?

    peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #810193
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    As Rev one shows there are many who speak in the book.

    Take care with the words.Do not add or remove as Rev 22 advises strongly.

    #810203
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….Again you have dodged the question, so lets try again, was IT JESUS, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO JOHN in Rev 1:11, TELLING HIM TO WRITE DOWN WHAT HE HAS SEEN AND SEND IT TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES?, A YES OR NO , WILL SUFFICE .

    Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene

    #810205
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK… JOHN WAS “BOTH” THE MESSENGER AND SLAVE OF BOND SERVANT OF JESUS AS WELL. I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING OUT OF THE MEANING OF THE “ORIGINAL” GREEK TEXT. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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