Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

Balancing Rock Girraween

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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  • #808911
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    I do not deny that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power at the Jordan.

    I do not deny that he was filled with the Spirit after that and went about doing good and healing those with evil spirits.

     

    Do you?

    do you even teach different things?

    #808921
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Have you heard me deny it. You think you have heard it because I believe correctly that he was recognised as Jesus Christ when he was born. That Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If that is a contradiction to you, then ask yourself if Jesus Christ came in the flesh and be honest with yourself.

    #808925
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You judge your own teachings as correct?

    There are higher authorities.

    #808928
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Actually Nick. It is you doing that. I am judging the scripture as being correct. My teaching is to believe the scripture. I believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, not because I teach it, but because it is written in scripture and so I defend it.

    #808932
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Because you ignore the voice of the Spirit in Jesus Christ

    you cannot expect your teachings to be sound.

    #808937
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick, I have asked you politely before to refrain from judging people here and to stop these constant accusations. Leave judgement to God and accusations to the Devil. These forums are not here so people can abuse each other or file false accusations. You have been warned. Please do not give me the only action that I should take as a moderator. I prefer if you and others stay and be civil and debate in the right spirit as one who wants to learn. Not as one who wants to be the only one who is right at all costs.

    #808941
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you deny Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan?

    #808953
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8….To deny JESUS was first A MAN, and then WAS ANOINTED WITH THE SPIRIT OF God “later”, in his life is to deny the the anointing spirit, the christo’s was a completely seperate event, scripture shows that the sirit decended from heaven and rested on him, and after that he began his ministry, not befor that wven though GOD WAS HIS ACTUAL HUMAN FATHER THROUGH Mary.

    John spokeof antichrist as a personthat doesnot believe that the CHRISTO’S ANOINTING SPIRIT CAME INTO FLESH, IT CAME TO BE IN THE FLESH MAN JESUS ONLY AFTER HE RECIEVED IT. As any JEW and they will tell you that the Messiah or ANOINTED ONE HAS TO BE A grown FLSH MAN, as MOSES WAS AND NOT A man already born as a Messiah, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS HIS DESTENY.

    THOSE who DON’T believe that the CHRISTO’S, “CAME” INTO THE FLESH, MAN JESUS AFTER HIS BERTH, ARE ANTICHRIST’S,or ANTI-MESSIAH. BECAUSE A MESSIAH CAN ONLY BE A FULL GROWN MAN TO BE A MESSIAH OR ANOINTED MANOF GOD.

    THE ONLY REASON YOU HANG ON TO YOU VIEW IS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THE PREXISTENCE OF JESUS, IMO, SO YOU FORCE THE TEXT TO READ THAT WAS AS MANY OTHERS DO. IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #808956
    Ed J
    Participant

    GOD WAS HIS ACTUAL HUMAN FATHER THROUGH Mary

    Hi Gene,

    I know from talking to in the past that you do not believe God is human.
    However, that is precisely what this part of your overall quote *IS* saying.

    But the message your “FreeWill” is attempting to captivate us with,
    by having the greatest influence on us, is: Jesus was completely human;
    My “Freewill” allows me to speak on your terms …………………………………….. Ed J

    #808960
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you deny Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan?

    Show me where I deny that Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.

    That has never been the issue and you cannot find one post where I have said such a thing. Where you get this from is your own understanding. Being led by the Spirit will not lead a man to error. You have erred with your accusations against me Nick. They do not hold water. Show me where I reject the Spirit because I believe not in Jesus baptism. You will not be able to. You have to invent this because it is not true. Your accusations are dripping with error.

    Jesus Christ was born a baby. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. He was born King of the Jews and the son of God.

    I do not deny any of these important truths about Jesus of Nazareth. But for some reason I am persecuted because I hold the view that I read in scripture.

    #808963
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You do not deny it? Good.

    Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.

     

    So what of this previous anointing you tell us about?

    #808966
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Here’s the thing Nick. I believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. He was born the Christ and the King of the Jews.

    You then accuse me of not being led by the Spirit, yet I agree with scripture.

    If I was to say that Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh, but only Jesus, and then he became Christ at the Jordan, then you would be happy with my answer.

    So what spirit would accuse me of not following the Spirit of God and would get me to technically deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?

    Think about what you are trying to achieve.

    #808967
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    So what of this previous anointing you tell us about?

    Nick, clearly he was recognised as Jesus Christ when he was born. He was recognised as the King of the Jews. He was recognised as the son of God.

    You do not recognise this, but I do because it is written.

    Figure it out for yourself. You are the one with a conflict, not me.

    Instead of judging me, you should be wise like Paul and judge yourself. It would be way more fruitful.

    When we are born-again, we will love. Love is kind. Eternal life is the fruit of being born from above.

    #808969
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    So was he anointed twice?

    Were the other prophets anointed twice?

    Why do you feel persecuted in folk enquire about your published beliefs?

     

    Surely you would rejoice at the opportunity to share them?

    #808971
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Here’s the thing Nick. I believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. He was born the Christ and the King of the Jews.

    That disagrees with the words:

    Philippians 2:8-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    : and it is not Scripture that is broken so perhaps you should test your understanding.

    #808989
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You may believe it but do you understand what you believe?

    Did the anointed man exist before he was born?

    Is that what you call sound teaching?

    #808997
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick, the longer you keep ignoring the scriptures the harder it will be for you until you will become faint. You know you cannot beat scripture, yet you refuse to even let scripture correct you.

    An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.

    Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

    This alone proves your error Nick and Kerwin. You both are saying that this angel of the Lord was technically incorrect. I don’t buy your explanations. This angel spoke on behalf of God himself. So who are you to preach otherwise? Are you really going to continue to try and convince us that you know better than the angel who announced the birth of the messiah that day? Come on, who are you guys kidding.

    That disagrees with the words:

    Kerwin and Nick, you can disagree that Jesus Christ came in the flesh all you like, that is your choice. For us we have been told to be on guard for that spirit. You can deny that Jesus Christ was born a baby boy in a manger, what difference is that going to make for me who believes it and the message that this angel of God delivered. No difference to me what you believe right. But I am in good company as it were wise men/magi that came to see the messiah who was born in a manger. They didn’t deny he was the messiah and the Lord and neither do I.

    You steer your own ship. If I give warning of an iceberg, then it is not my fault if you ram into it.

    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

    #809002
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You are so sure in your error

    Often the way

    #809009
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.

    Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

    What part is the error? The bit that says “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord“. Is that the error?

    #809016
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes the Saviour had Ben born.

    But his role as Saviour could not begin till his anointing.

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