Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

Balancing Rock Girraween

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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  • #807630
    GeneBalthrop
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    T8….WE ARE REALLY EXACTLY LIKE HIM, WE ALWAYS WERE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE betwween Jesus and us is that God supplied his male DNA, therefore he is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, not the only son, but the ONLY BEGOTTEN (HUMAN BORN ) SON. My question to you is why are you trying so hard to make him appear as different them we are.

    You quote scriptures that do not “specificly” say what you infer, you take scriptures out of context to force them to say what they infact do not say or imply, like for instance where Paul said, that he existed in the form of God, with out realizing Paul was speaking about when he was on earth, before his asention, but you force it to mean, before he came to earth he existed in the form or image of God. You misrepresent the time Paul was speaking of, not understanding that Paul or any of the apostles “only” knew about his previous existence as a human being on this earth, they had no recall of any Pryor existence of Jesus, before his berth on this earth, so how could they mention anything about him prexisting in heaven as a sentinal being before his berth on this earth?

    Another point is why would God the Father even do that in the first place , what point would that make to anyone, if a preexisting perfect being came to earth as a morphed being, and walked perfectly, he would already have been perfect before he came, so what would that prove to us, “nothing”. The scripture that says sin intered by man and by man it was atoned fore would not hold up, seening he was not a pure human being exactly like the rest of us. Scripture portrays and contrasts Jesus as the last “Adam” right, well was the first Adam a prexisting human being also? How is it you can understand the first Adam as comming into existence at his creation, but can’t understand the Second Adam did also.

    Why does it disapointing to you, to see another one of us humans beings reached perfection through the power of HIS FATHER AND OUR FATHER, GOD. DO YOU THINK GOD THE FATHER IS SO WEAK HE COULD NOT BRING INTO EXISTENCE BY BERTH A PURE HUMAN BEING HE COULD PERFECT AND RAISE FROM THE DEAD AND GRANT HIM ETERNAL LIFE, AS AN EXAMPLE TO US ALL OF OUR POTENTIAL? THE SAME God Who perfected Our brother Jesus, is he not able to perfect us also?

    FACE the truth T8, you really do not see Jesus as another human being you have moved him away from you own idenity with him, and made him different then you are right?, you have fallen for the biggest LIE EVER FOSTERED ON HUMANITY, Satan’s “DOCTRINE OF DEPERATION” you have bought into the biggest lie in Christianity, along with billions of others.

    All the answers are there T8, had you understood that Jesus is a prototype of us, in the plan and will of GOD YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD TO BE “EXACTLY” LIKE US IN “EVERY” WAY. JESUS IS THE FINISH PRODUCT OF GOD’S WHOLE HUMAN CREATION PLAN, HE IS THE FULLFILLED PURPOSE GOD THE FATHER WHICH HE, HAS PLANED FOR US ALL. WE HUMAN ARE INTENDED TO BE THE HIGHEST ORDER OF GOD’S CREATION, THERE IS NO CREATION DESTINED HIGHER THE WE ARE. JESUS IS JUST THE FIRST OF MANY BROTHERS TO HAVE ATTAINED IT, THE FIRST NOT THE ONLY.

    OR HAVEN’T YOU READ, Hebrews 2:6-8..” what is man (mankind) that you are mindful of him? Or the son of man (mankind), that you visit him (mankind)? You have made him(mankind) a little lower then the angels, you crowned him (mankind) with glory and honour, and did set him (mankind) over the works of your hands: YOU have put “ALL” things under his (mankinds) feet. For in that he put “ALL” things in subjection to him (mankind), he left “NOTHING” that is not “UNDER” him (Mankind)”.

    DO YOU SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF “ALL” HUMANITY T8, WE ARE NOT A LESSOR FORMS OF BEINGS, BUT JUST THE OPPOSITE WE ARE VERY HIGHELY EXAULTED BY GOD HIMSELF AND PLACE OVER “ALL” THE WORKS OF HIS HANDS , NOT JUST PART OF IT BUT “ALL” OF IT. That is all our potential T8. Jesus is proof to us that that potential is obtainable for us all, how because he was a human that made it to that goal with God’s help, and with God the Fathers help we can ALL achieve it also. Why is JESUS a proof to us, because he is “EXACTLY” AS WE ARE IN “EVERY” WAY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, A FELLOW HUMAN BEING AND STILL IS.

    JESUS WAS AND IS A SON OF MAN, HE IS ALSO A SON OF GOD by “HUMAN BERTH”, the only HUMAN BEING God the father begot through humanity, who came into his existence as a human berth process, where God the Father supplied his male DNA. NO other human can say God inpregnated his mother, he did not have a physical human Father, but he did have a physical human mother. But none of that berth process made him’ any different then we are, as far as his humanity goes, he was not morpher from another existence in to Mary’s womb as false christainity would have us all believe.

    T8… if you DON’T see JESUS AS PART OF OUR FAMILY OF HUMAN BEING, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT SEE JESUS, and you cannot truly relate with him right either.IMO

    T8, GO READ THE THREAD ON Satan’s “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” and this time please think about it.

    He that has eyes to see let him see, he that has ears to hear let him hear.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #807657
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    If all the works and words of the man Jesus are those of the Spirit within him why would he need heavenly origins?

    If all the miracles are the work of God within him why do you think he is of divine origins?

    You seem to think he is a another God who gave up his powers.

    Get over his humanity and listen to the Spirit.

     

    #807730
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    you don’t even believe in scriptures unless you approve the way it is written ,you are a pure joker ,

    religion freek ,a deceiver , you have denied Jesus the Christ and the only begotten son of God ,for you have made him a man like us ;and yet scriptures tells us that ;

    Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
    Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!
    Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,

    Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’

    here are three witnesses that testify against your own believe that with it you have rejected and so place yourself has a antichrist ,

    sorry but this is the truth

    #807782
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    So in your opinion we do not have a man to follow?

    #807789
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick
    Hi t,

    So in your opinion we do not have a man to follow?

    ________________________________________________________

    Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

    can you read this scripture ? if yes ,what was it that we could follow ? and when the apostles were all gone tell me what did man add left to follow ?

    please answer those question in line thanks

    #807804
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Jesus told us to follow him.

    To whom else should we go?

    He has the words of eternal life.

    #807813
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    Hi t,

    Jesus told us to follow him.

    To whom else should we go?

    He has the words of eternal life.

    ______________________________________________________

    you seem to have it wrong again .

    Jesus can only be followed through his disciples message ;do you not believe the scriptures ?

    #807907
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Do you not know the Spirit?

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

     

    Folks prefer the darkness to the light.

    #807908
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    you are so ridicule ,that you start to answer your own questions ,for the only reason that you cannot answer mine ,

    #807955
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of.

    Resist those negative judgemental urges.

    #807972
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Si you do not believe Jesus was aman anointed by God? Acts 10

    A ridiculous question Nick, lol. I do not teach that anywhere. If so, feel free to quote. Otherwise better to stay silent and focus on what I actually do say and believe. Resist those negative judgemental urges as you say.

    Matthew 1:18
    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

    #807973
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

    I have given you this scripture and so told you that we all after the dead of the apostles we are following Jesus through their message ;if not

    tell and show me in scriptures ? if not keep quite

    #807989
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus Christ was born.

    But he was not yet anointed when he was conceived or born.

    #807990
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Does following the message include obedience to his commands?

    #807991
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Then tell us what you do believe.

    Was Jesus Christ a god that somehow became a man?

    #807992
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Or do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was a man anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and power?

    #808004
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself and came in the flesh.

    We read elsewhere that the Word that was with God became flesh and we beheld his glory as the son of God.

    Then we read that he is called the Word of God and that he came from Heaven.

    He is the firstborn of all creation and the exact image of God.

    While in the flesh, he was a man Nick, the second adam (man) to be precise. That answers all your Jesus as a man questions.

    As a man he was anointed by God as is written.

    At the Jordan he could well have been filled with that which he emptied himself of, but the point is that Jesus Christ was born in a manger whereas you infer that he was born at the Jordan.

    You teach that Jesus is not the Christ. And what are we to make of that? You know.

    #808010
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You misquote me.

    Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.

    Since he was anointed at the Jordan with the Holy Spirit that is when he became the anointed one.

     

    Before that he was the Christ only prophetically.

    #808022
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8….You could not be more wrong even if you tried. JESUS is the first born into the kingdom of God “from” all creation. You get it?, he was the “first” BORN, FROM all creation, if he preexisted he would not have been first “BORN” which means comming into existence through a “BERTH” process.

    ANOTHER WORDS THROUGH THE WOMB OF A WOMEN, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “BORN”

    Your preexistence views destorts all you perceptions of Jesus, not to mention it seperates your personal idenity with him. Go read the thread SATAN’S DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION. I realize you do not realize it but you are participating in causing the teaching of SEPERATION to continue, it is exactly what Satan wants from all who hold to those FALSE TEACHINGS, it is a LIE T8, just as it is stated in 2Ths 2, as PAUL DELIVERED TO THE CHURCHES.

    THE teaching of the Morphing of Jesus into a human body is a myth, created to destory the true Faith in God the Father and his power in creating perfecton in all humanity, as he did in Jesus an “ORDINARY” anointed “MAN” of God.

    NICK is right in in what he said ON THIS T8. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #808031
    terraricca
    Participant

    Gene

    you become hopeless to what scriptures are saying and don’t believe what it says ,why we should argue with you for you know better of what it is written ,I stick with what is written ,you make your own views

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