The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

In scripture we never read about people preaching the Trinity or insisting that people believe it in order to have true faith in God.

Over the centuries many Christians have diverged and insisted that people believe in the Trinity as the foundation of true faith in God. While this belief indeed is the Roman Catholic Faith, Christians should never make this doctrine a requirement as it only proves to alienate people from the way.

In scripture we are told that stumbling blocks are inevitable, but woe to the them that lay them. Think about it, if you insist on this doctrine and it keeps a person from receiving the son of God, then you have contributed to blocking the way of salvation to that person.

We should be wise and stick to teaching what is written. God sent his son into the world to save men. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right-hand of God and interceding for us. This is written.

Keep it simple. Simplicity in Christ. He is the son of the living God, the messiah, and the one whom God made Lord. There is no point in insisting on things that are not written, especially if they become the deal breaker from them receiving the son of God.

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  • #820944
    Proclaimer
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    @jael

    You say that he didn’t come in the flesh. If you argument is to solidify this position, then what is the use of me even reading your argument. I wouldn’t dare believe that he didn’t come in the flesh. Until you can tell me you repent and believe that he did come in the flesh, then what is the use in hearing the details?

    #820945
    Proclaimer
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    I tell you what robs people of faith in God is other Believers who basically teach all are wrong and only they are right. We can show scripture to reveal truth and dispel false teachings. But those teachers who make judgements about others based on their own understanding fail because they forget every man is right in his own eyes. If they do not use scripture or ignore scripture when reproved, then they will be a victim of their own righteousness.

    #820948
    NickHassan
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    Hi,

    Then the disciples came and said to him,

    ’Do you know that the Pharisees were offended by this statement?’

    But he answered and said

    ’Every plant which my Heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted

    Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man both will fall into a pit’

    #821005
    NickHassan
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    Hi T8,

    Yes Jesus is an ordinary Man just like you.

    Born of a woman and, as a Jew, born under the Law

    He was made extraordinary by His anointing at the river Jordan.

     

    Is it important to you to imagine he had a head start?

    #821006
    NickHassan
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    Hi T8,

    Tradition would tell you that because God was his Father he was not born like us subject to lusts and temptation.

    But scripture tells us he was tempted like just like us but never sinned.(Heb 4.15)

    Scripture says he is an overcomer – that we can follow.(rev 3)

    He said that he was a son of man.

     

    jb 25.4

    How then can man be justified with God?

    or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

    Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea even the stars are not clean in His sight.

    How much less man, that is a worm? And the son of man, which is a worm?

     

    Jesus was born into our realm and because he had victory we have hope.

    Perhaps it is time you let go the weak hand of useless tradition?

    But perhaps you still like to have your ears tickled?

     

    #821701
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    Nick you believe that Jesus wasn’t the Christ for the vast majority of his life here on Earth. Does that mean you lean more toward the Antichrist spirit? That spirit will one way or another deny Jesus is Christ either outright or in subtle forms like Islam. Worse still, it is clearly written for you, so no excuse can be given. And why become Gene’s disciple? Was his lie repeated enough to become truth for you? Did he wear you down?

    I have the witness of scripture whereas, you have to admit that this is what you are opposing. You are not opposing me because I stand with scripture.

    “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.”

    If the scripture cannot sway you, then what can? Surely I cannot because the scripture is not sourced in me. But rejecting scripture is to reject the one who inspired it.

    Dangerous territory I would have thought.

    #821720
    NickHassan
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    Hi T8,

    You used to muse about Jesus being an angel of God.

    Did you drop that one?

    Now your dogma is that he was born anointed.

    No scriptures about when.

     

    Why do you want to teach?

    #822192
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    Jesus is a messenger of God. He was sent into the world by God, with the message of salvation. He preached the gospel, to announce the glad tidings of God, that he comes into the world. He said it like this:

    “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.”

    And so it is that Jesus is a messenger even the most important messenger of God. The word ‘angel’ is ‘messenger’ which you seem unable to acknowledge.

    Men can be angels as they can be messengers too. Messengers is not a species or tribe.

    #822224
    GeneBalthrop
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    T8….Yes Jesus was sent out into the world to preach the gospel of the kingdom of God, that does not say he was sent from out side this world and came to earth to do that as you and many suppose, does it? Jesus’ mission of preaching the gosple in the world started “after” he was anointed with the SPIRIT OF GOD, and became the “Messiah of God”. Come on t8 you surely know this don’t you brother?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #822226
    NickHassan
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    Hi Gene,

    Yes.

    Jn 17.18

    As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    #822338
    Proclaimer
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    Jesus was born the messiah, the Lord, and the King of the Jews. This is part of what I teach because it is written. Shoot the messenger if you want, but the truth changes not. Jesus also came in the flesh. He is not the flesh itself, rather he came in the flesh so he could be like us in order for us to be like him later on. He had glory with God before the cosmos. I know this drives some men crazy, but the truth does that sometimes. It is up to men to change, not the truth. Amen.

    #822358
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Indeed the Word was made flesh.

    In Jesus of Nazareth.

    #822372
    Jael
    Participant

    t8, Nick:

    • ‘[Jesus] had glory with the Father before the world was’

    This is interesting in that the verse DOES NOT claim that [Jesus] had glory WHEN the world was… only BEFORE. Yet another scripture claim [Jesus] CREATED the world and all things within… and then another STATES that it was the FATHER who created everything ‘through’ the Son. Well, if [Jesus] only had glory BEFORE the world was, the question is then: ‘What GLORY did he have AS THE WORLD WAS MADE – more glory, but likely, following the logic, LESS OR NONE’? Quite a flaw in trinity ideology, eh?

    I won’t touch on how, if Jesus is God, he could ‘lose his glory’. If it were even possible that God could lose his glory then ‘God would not be God’… period!

    • The Word made flesh

    God gave HIS WORD to mankind that he would provide a SAVIOUR who would turn mankind back to himself. He sent many prophets with his word to remind his wayward people of this promise: ‘I will send my servant who will indeed turn my people back to me!’ (Isaiah 42:1-2, paraphrased)

    In the fullness of time by God’s judgement, God ACTED ON HIS PROMISE : his WORD WAS MADE FLESH : He SENT HIS SERVANT, as promised!

    A Man has fallen from a roof but is hanging from the guttering. A wealthy passerby sees him and promises to send his servant to get him down. In time, a short time, the Servant arrives with a ladder and saves the man. The wealthy passerby’s WORD WAS MADE FLESH: He SENT HIS SERVANT, that servant was the saviour of the man (Notwithstanding that the wealthy person was also saviour for sending the Servant!!)

    #822373
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jael,

    We know from Ps 104.30 that it is God Who ctreates through His Spirit.

    It is the Spirit in the anointed Jesus that inspired his words and did the works.

    All references to Jesus Christ are references to the eternal Spirit at work in this man.

    Flesh contributes nothing.

    #822376
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Jael, good to hear you brother, yes i believe The word of God which is God came to be “in” THE MAN Jesus, i do not believe the word actually became flesh, because God who is “spirit” was “in” the “man” Jesus . While spirits can live in “flesh” they can never be flesh. Jesus was indeed the servant and son of the Living God, who God the Father gave for the salvation of those who believe in him.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #822379
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    2 Cor 5.16f

    Therefore, from now on, we recognise no one according to the flesh, even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet we know him in this way no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ , he is a new creature, the old things passed away; Behold new things have come.

    2 Cor 3.14

    But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted  because it is removed in Christ.but to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. But we all , with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,  are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

    The new creation is according to the Spirit.

    An ongoing transformation in those who walk in the Spirit.

    Those who focus on the flesh and glorify it have really missed the point.

    #822380
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jael,

    Yes before the creation of the world was before the creation of the dust of earth from which flesh was created.

    Jesus called himself a son of man, and that is so as he was born of a woman.

    Yet some think a man was in heaven prior to his birth?

    #822381
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Acts 8.35f

    Then Philip opened his mouth and, beginning from this scripture, he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water, and the Eunuch said

    ”Look! Water. What prevents me from being baptised??

    And Philip said

    ”If you believe with all your heart, you may”

    And he answered and said

    ”I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God”

    And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the Eunuch, and he baptised him.

     

    So a man who believed in God and in the scriptures just has to believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God to be baptised in his name into Christ.

    But trinity preaches that Jesus is God- a false foundation.

    #822533
    Proclaimer
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    Hi T8,

    Indeed the Word was made flesh.

    Indeed, Jesus came in the flesh and the Word was made flesh.

    Both are true. But did God create all things through two things so to speak?

    #822534
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This is interesting in that the verse DOES NOT claim that [Jesus] had glory WHEN the world was… only BEFORE. Yet another scripture claim [Jesus] CREATED the world and all things within… and then another STATES that it was the FATHER who created everything ‘through’ the Son. Well, if [Jesus] only had glory BEFORE the world was, the question is then: ‘What GLORY did he have AS THE WORLD WAS MADE – more glory, but likely, following the logic, LESS OR NONE’? Quite a flaw in trinity ideology, eh?


    @jael

    Yes, the Trinity is a flawed doctrine for sure. The Father created all things through his son. God created all things through the Word. Nothing was created without him. Glory to God through Jesus Christ now and forever and including all the past. You agree right?

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