If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

Glorified Body

God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now that we will have. We will be like him. So if Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself of? many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us and having to grow as a baby, to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth, and is back with God.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is spirit, but angels are spirits and they are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares in divine nature. And chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself who reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory.

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  • #868329
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU:Carmel……being one with God

    , or anyone in noway makes you or anyone else a God or anyone person you are at one with.

    Attention Gene,

    A JUDGE WAS VERY POPULAR FOR HIS HARSH JUDGEMENTS, IN FACT, HE WAS EVEN HATED BY SOME. THIS JUDGE WAS CONVINCED THAT HIS JUDGEMENTS WERE JUSTIFIED. UPSET BY THIS REACTION FROM THE PEOPLE, HE DECIDED TO START A CARRIER AS A CLOWN WITH THE HOPE THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE HIM, AND EVEN MAKE THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO HATED HIM LOVE HIM AND HAPPY WITH HIS PERFORMANCES AS A CLOWN. HE ALSO PREFERRED TO REMAIN HIDDEN AND UNKNOWN IN THE VESSEL OF THE CLOWN. AS MUCH AS HE WAS HATED AS A JUDGE HE WAS LOVED AND EVEN MORE AS A

    MYSTERIOUS CLOWN! HE COULDN’T CARE LESS  HOW PEOPLE LOVED HIM AS LONG AS HE IS LOVED SOMEHOW! FINALLY, HE SAID BOTH THE PEOPLE AND HIMSELF ARE HAPPY WITH HIS WORK. THE END OF HIS DAYS ON EARTH CAME AND BEFORE HE DIED HE MADE SURE THAT ON HIS TOMB THEY ONLY PUT A PHOTO OF HIMSELF AS

    THE CLOWN AND THAT HE ALSO REMAIN UNKNOWN:

    HATED AS A JUDGE, AND

    LOVED AS A CLOWN!

     

     

    YOU: Jesus plainly said,

    the Father was “in” him. 

    And because of that you think he is the Father? 

     

    NOW ANSWER Gene!

    THE JUDGE WAS HIDDEN WITHIN THE VESSEL OF THE CLOWN

    AS MUCH AS GOD WAS

    HIDDEN WITHIN THE VESSEL OF “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN! THUS

    IS THE JUDGE  

    THE CLOWN?

     IS THE CLOWN

    THE JUDGE?

    YOU:God is Spirit

    ME: I DON’T BELIEVE THAT YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT GOD IS Gene,

    SINCE YOU BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE HIS SON ON EARTH, GOD THE FATHER  REQUIRED

    THE SPERM, THE OVUM, THE DNA, AND ALL THE GARBAGE HUMANS ARE MADE FROM, CONSIDERING THAT

    ALL THE ABOVE IS THE WORK OF GOD!

    NONSENSE and 

    MADNESS

     

    YOU: and can exist in anyone he Choses to, anyone who does the Fathers will, is at one with him,  but that does not make the person,  the same person he is at one with,

    NO Gene, AGAIN YOU CONFIRMED THAT YOU ARE STAGNATED IN YOUR

    CARNAL MINDED REASONING SIMPLY

    BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW THERE IS

    ONE SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HUMANS!

    THAT MEANS THAT THE FATHER AS A SPIRIT

    NEVER ABIDES IN HUMANS

    DIRECTLY

    ONLY IN JESUS, HE DOES SO!

     

    THE ONLY GOD’S CARRIER!

    GOD’S VESSEL!

    GOD’S HOUSE! 

    THAT WHAT MAKES 

    JESUS THE FULL DEITY CARNALLY!!!

    THE FATHER IN THE SON AND THE SON IN THE FATHER.

    I DON’T BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE ABOVE STATE MEANS!

    IN NO OTHER HUMAN BEING THE FATHER IS 

    ONE SUBSTANCE EQUALLY 

    GOD!

     Surely you are smart enough to know that right?

    NO YOU DON’T.

    YOU: Jesus is not the God that was “in” him,

    YES Gene,

    IN THE SAME WAY

    THE CLOWN WAS THE JUDGE THAT WAS IN HIM!

    TRY TO ANSWER MY QUESTION PLEASE!

    EVERYBODY ASKED WHO THE CLOWN WAS BUT THAT WAS  A MYSTERY!

    IN THE SAME WAY, GOD IS ALSO  A MYSTERY! FOR ALL HIS CREATURES!

    ONLY IN JESUS IS GOD REVEALED!

    YOU SEE JESUS YOU SEE GOD!

    AND THOSE WHO DON’T ACCEPT JESUS IS GOD,

    THEY WILL NEVER SEE GOD AT ANY TIME AT ALL!

    YOU: nor are we his brothers either

    the God that is “in” us.

    THAT’S ONLY FOR A PERSON LIKE YOU GENE

    CARNALLY MINDED

    I KNOW THAT 

    JESUS, THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES, 

    IS IN ME

    AND GOD IS IN JESUS, and 

    THAT’S THE ONLY WAY THAT

    I HAVE GOD IN ME!!!

    JOHN 17:20 And not for them only do I pray,

    but for them also who through their word shall believe

    in ME;

     21That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee;

    that they also may be one in us;

    that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them;

    that they may be one, as we also are one:

     23I in THEM,

    and THOU in ME;

    that they may be made perfect

    in ONE:

    and the world may know that thou hast sent me,

    and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me.

     

    Man is your thinking screwed up Gene?

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #868330
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene
    For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

    It will be interesting to see what excuse he comes up this time. Lol. That is all he has. The gospel of excuses.

    #868331
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer. ….Sure it does, if your son “has” to speak for you , is it because you are to dumb to speak for yourself.  Now if your son tells me “your” words that you “gave him”,  to tell me,  that’s  a different story.

    Nothing here negates him being The Word of God.

    He was with God in the beginning. That is what it says. Why do you hate the written word. Why do you despise The Word of God himself?

    Something inside you reacts to these truths.

    #868332
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene. If this topic was the flat earth, you are the guy denying the globe.

    #868333
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: Proclaimer. …….please show me the scripture that says Jesus was “born”  before Abraham. 

    Again you like others add your thoughts to what the text is  actually saying. That was my point with Berean. YOUR view as Jesus prexisting his berth is wrong on many levels,

    One,  no prexisting recorded activity of him before his birth on this earth.

    Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him

    in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 

    2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him

    three men standing near him:

    and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground. 3And he said:

    Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight,

    pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant.

    And THEY said: Do as thou hast spoken.

    Gene, HOW COME THE LORD ANSWERED TOGETHER

    IN THREE PERSONS, NOT ONE!

    16:And when the men rose up from thence, they turned their eyes towards Sodom: and Abraham walked with them, bringing them on the way. 

    17And the Lord said:

    Can I hide from Abraham what I am about to do: 18Seeing he shall become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth shall be blessed?

    YOU: Two,  and most important is!

    he could not have truly qualified to take away our sins

    if he was a prexisting being of any kind. Being “morphed” from another existence would have nothing with mankind,  much less dying for our sins would have.

    ME: Gene, THE MORE YOU TALK, THE MORE IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT 

    YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE PROCESS OF REDEMPTION IS!

    HUMANS OF EARTH WERE INDEBTED TO SATAN!

    ONCE ADAM SINNED, HE MADE USE OF SATAN’S ASSET!

    CONSEQUENTLY, ADAM LOST GOD’S IMAGE  IN HIS IMMORTAL SPIRITUAL FLESH AND RECEIVED SATAN’S IMAGE IN HIS MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD, 

    NOT OF GOD!

    SATAN BECAME HIS PROPRIETOR!

    Until some other human not indebted to Satan, not of this world 

    PAY A RANSOM for Adam and his offsprings, which would make them

    FREE!

    CONSEQUENTLY, SOMEONE NOT OF THIS WORLD,

    WHO IS NOT INDEBTED, WITHOUT SIN, WAS ONLY

    JESUS THE MAN!

    PROVIDED BY GOD THE FATHER BY HIS OWN MOUTH “THE WORD”

    LET THERE BE LIGHT!

    HAD TO BE THE RANSOM IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HUMAN RACE!

    NOW READ:

    Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heaven and the earth,…..

    Gene, WHO ARE THESE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN AND EARTH???

    SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

    MANKIND, WHY NOT ONLY THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH?

    WHAT DOES THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN HAVE GOT TO DO WITH MANKIND!

    THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN AS YOU SAID,  IS DEFINITELY

    OF ANOTHER EXISTENCE!!! NO???

    ANSWER Gene, LET US ON HEAVENNET HEAR 

    YOUR CARNAL MINDED REASONING WITH EVERY RESPECT!

    YOU: Three, you also leave out many, many, many scriptures that show his true origins , scriptures that Jodi and I have brought out many times here.  Even scriptures where Jesus himself said where his linage was  from.

    ACCORDING TO YOU WHAT IS JESUS LINEAGE? 

    IS IT OF THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH?

    IS IT OF THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN?

    IS IT OF BOTH?

    1Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the earth, earthly:

    the second man, from heaven, heavenly.

    48Such as is the earthly, such also are the earthly:

    and such as is the heavenly, such also are they that are heavenly.

    49Therefore as we have borne the image of the earthly,(SATANIC)

    let us bear also the image of the heavenly.(GODLY)

    Four, you force the text to say what in fact it is not saying , by not applying the actual Greek meanings to them.

    I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN Gene!!!

    IN THE SAME WAY YOU, REGARDING THE PHRASE:

    “ASCEND TO” 

    IT MEANS FOR YOU

    ONLY GOING TO HEAVEN!

    NOT ALSO ASCEND TO A HIGHER STATE, POSITION, OR POWER!

    AM I RIGHT Gene???

    Five, preaching a preexisting Jesus, also deny the whole idea of a “second” Adam.

    ME: Genesis 2;4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth,

    when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth: 5And every plant of the field before it spring up in the earth, and every herb of the ground before it grew: for the Lord God had not rained upon the earth; and there was not a man to till the earth.

     6But a spring rose out the earth,

    watering all the surface of the earth.

     7And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth:

    and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. 

    AS YOU CAN READ

    ADAM WAS MADE FROM

    THE DUST, THE PHYSICAL

    THE SPRING, WHICH ROSE FROM THE EARTH, AND

    FROM

    THE BREATH OF GOD, THE SPIRITUAL

    THUS IN THE BAOVE

    THREE ELEMENTS THERE IS

    THE SPIRIT OF GOD, THE LIFE OF THE SPIRIT OF MAN,

    THE FLESH OF MAN, DEAD, AND IN BETWEEN Gene, THER WAS

    THE SPIRIT/MEDIATOR, IN ADAM’S SOUL  WHICH GAVE LIFE

    TO THE  FLESH OF MAN.

    WHO IS Gene,

    THIS SPIRIT/MEDIATOR WHO GAVE LIFE TO THE FLESH OF MAN

    ADAM?

    JUST TO REMIND YOU

    THE HEAD OF THE MAN/ADAM IS CHRIST!

    THUS THE FIRST MAN/ADAM IS OF EARTH!

    THE DUST!!!

    THE SECOND MAN/ADAM IS OF HEAVEN!

    THE SPRING!!! THE SON OF MAN!

    YOU:A second human being, not a being from a past existence, morphed into a human body, as you preach.  That would have nothing to do with perfecting the human race at all. 

    NO GENE I’M AFRAID!

    THE SECOND HUMAN BEING

    THOUGH FROM PAST EXISTENCE, WAS ALSO THE FIRST HUMAN BEING, AND HE WAS ALWAYS IN THE FIRST HUMAN BEING SIMPLY,

    SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8

    ETERNAL LIFE,

    TO MAINTAIN HIS

    PRIMACY AS

    THE BEGINNING, THE FIRST  OF EVERY BEGINNING, AND EVERY FIRST! 

    Colossians 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God,

    the firstborn of every creature:(in Adam)

     16For in him

    were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers:

    all things were created by him and in him. 

    17And he is before all, and by him all things consist.

     18And he is the head of the body, the church,

    who is

    the beginning,

    the firstborn from the dead;

    that in all things he may hold

    the primacy: 

    19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father,

    that all fullness should dwell;

     20And through him to reconcile

    all things unto himself,

    making peace through the blood of his cross,

    both as to the things that are on earth,(from EVE, THE FLESH!)

    and the things that are in heaven. (from ADAM, THE SOUL!)

    Common sense should tell you that Gene?  

    Peace nd love in Jesus Chist

    #868334
    Ed J
    Participant

    Proclaimer. ….Sure it does, if your son “has” to speak for you , is it because you are to dumb to speak for yourself. Now if your son tells me “your” words that you “gave him”, to tell me, that’s a different story.

    That is exactly what Jesus meant when he said , “the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words, but the words of him who sent me.”, Now what is “silly” is why you can’t understand and believe what Jesus “clearly” said, about the words he was telling us, That’s what’s “silly”.

    Hi Gene,

    Jesus also said:”words are spirit”

    Religious indoctrination has got them blind to that as well.

    Come out of her my people!

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #868341
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj……That’s right “religious” “indoctrination”, and “pride of life”. “causes them not to even consider the truth, so they remain blind, the blind leading the blind,   and they are in a ditch. 

    All words are spirit of one kind or another, either “good” or “evil”, for every “tree” (that which brings forth from itself) is know by it’s fruit (what it produces)  from itself. AN evil tree can not bring forth good fruit,  neither a good tree can bring forth bad fruit,  ever tree is known by its fruit. 

    Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

    #868342
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……as I said you can’t even quote a scripture without either changing what it says or adding your own words to them. No where in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were all God’s,  that is you “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    As I have said blind guides leading blind people , going no where ,  “for wide is the way that leads to destruction, and “MANY” GO in threat thereof.” , “NARROW” is the way that leads to life, and “FEW” there be that find it.” 

    Peace and love to you and yours.. …………….gene

    #868343
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

     

    It seems to me that I asked you a question …. !!!! ????

    I sait for a ANSWER

     

    #868344
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Carmel……as I said you can’t even quote a scripture

    without either changing what it says or adding your own words to them.

    No where in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were all God’s, 

    that is you “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

     

    Gene LET’S READ AGAIN AND VERIFY IF WHAT YOU SAID IS THE TRUTH!

     

    YOU: Proclaimer. …….please show me the scripture that says Jesus was “born”  before Abraham. 

    Again you like others add your thoughts to what the text is  actually saying. That was my point with Berean. YOUR view as Jesus prexisting his berth is wrong on many levels,

    One,  no preexisting recorded activity of him before his birth on this earth.

    Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him

    in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 

    2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him

    three men standing near him:

    and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground. 3And he said:

    Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight,

    GENE THEY WERE THREE MEN RIGHT?

    ABRAHAM ADDRESSED ONLY

    OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    FINE???

    YOU: Proclaimer. …….please show me the scripture that says Jesus was “born”  before Abraham.

    One,  no preexisting recorded activity of him before his birth on this earth.

    ME: DO YOU ACCEPT NOW THE FACT THAT AT LEAST 

    ONE IS JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD???

    YOU:  “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    ANSWER Gene, and confirm that 

    you are a GENUINE liar!

    Cont:

    pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant.

    And THEY said: Do as thou hast spoken.

    Gene DID THE THREE MEN ANSWERED TOGETHER,

    DESPITE ABRAHAM 

    ADDRESSED ONLY 

    OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST???

    NOW Gene READ WHAT I ASKED :

    Gene, HOW COME THE LORD ANSWERED TOGETHER

    IN THREE PERSONS, NOT ONE!

    YOU: Carmel……as I said you can’t even quote a scripture

    without either changing what it says or adding your own words to them.

    Gene WHERE DID I CHANGE SCRIPTURE???

    WHERE DID I ADD MY OWN WORDS TO SCRIPTURE???

    I DIDN’T EVEN QUOTE SCRIPTURE,

    I SIMPLY ASKED FOR CLARITY, SOMETHING WHICH 

    YOU FOR A REASON YOU ONLY KNOW, DIDN’T GIVE A HINT OF IT!

    WHY DIDN’T YOU GIVE YOUR PERCEPTION AS WELL NOT JUST CONCLUDED, LIED AND SAID THAT 

    I SAID THAT THOSE THREE MEN WERE GODS!

    WHEN I NEVER EVEN MENTIONED THE WORD 

    GODS!

    Gene, NOW FOR GOD’S SAKE,

    WHO ANSWERED ABRAHAM?

    OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN ONE PERSON???

    OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN THREE PERSONS???

    OUR LORD TOGETHER WITH THE TWO MEN???

    THE THREE MEN???

    Cont:

    16:And when the men rose up from thence, they turned their eyes towards Sodom: and Abraham walked with them, bringing them on the way. 

    17And the Lord said:

    CAN I

    hide from Abraham what

    I AM

    about to do: 18Seeing he shall become a great and mighty nation, and in him, all the nations of the earth shall be blessed?

    Gene IN THE ABOVE THE LORD DECIDED AND SPOKE IN ONE PERSON!!!

    Now LET’S READ MORE OF THIS PARTICULAR CHAPTER WITH THE HOPE OF MORE CLARITY:

    Genesis 18:And when THEY had eaten,

    THEY said to him:

    AGAIN THE THREE OF THEM SPOKE!

    Where is Sara thy wife?

    He answered: Lo, she is in the tent. 

    10And HE said to him:

    BACK AGAIN TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS ONE PERSON

    I will return

    and come to thee at this time, life accompanying and Sara thy wife shall have a son.

    Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent. 11Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women. 12And she laughed secretly, saying: After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man, shall I give myself to pleasure? 

    13And the Lord said to Abraham:

    Why did Sera laugh, saying: Shall I who am an old woman bear a child indeed? 

    14Is there anything hard to God?

    according to appointment,

    I WILL

    return to thee at this same time, life accompanying, and Sara shall have a son.

    15Sara denied, saying: I did not laugh: for she was afraid.

    But the Lord said, Nay: but thou didst laugh:

    YOU:  “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    ME; WILL YOU BE DECENT ENOUGH, BE SPECIFIC AND SHOW ME WHERE I FORCED THE TEXT TO SAY WHAT IN FACT IT IS NO EVEN 

    HINTED OUT?

    NOW MY QUESTION Gene. IS

    IS IT ALL FOR NO USE THAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TALKED IN THAT MANNER?

    Gene, IT IS NOT JUST TO CONFUSE US FOR SURE, GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION. IS HE???

    HAVE YOU GOT YOUR VERSION Gene, DESPITE IT IS ALWAYS CARNAL! WITH EVERY RESPECT, THAT’S THE ONLY WAY TO EXPOSE TRUTH OR LIES.

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

    #868346
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene.

    You know when you do not answer questions, it means you are stumped.

    In fact you lost this debate ages ago, but I realise that you may not be able to see that. The reason you lost might be the same reason you cannot see your loss. It’s obvious to nearly everyone else though.

    Berean asked you a question. At least admit your stumped. Ignoring it shows you are not interested in the truth. That reflects badly on your character.

    #868347
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene

    I also asked you a question.

    If his name is Jesus that means he is Jesus. If his name is The Word of God, that means he is…………………?

    Here’s a clue. It starts with T, contains the Word ‘of’, and references his Father.

    Looks like Ed J needs to answer this question too judging by a post further up the page.

    #868359
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Proclamer,

    Looks like Ed J needs to answer this question too

    If his name is The Word of God, that means he is…………………?

    …the word of God. <– on this we agree

    However – I have told you this time and time again:

    “His name is” God’s Holy Spirit’s name; not Jesus’ Christ’s name.

     

    Open your mind

    #868361
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean. …….Thought he was rich, can mean many things ,  he was rich in understanding,  in Spirit, in closeness to God the Father,  in power after all God performed many miracles through  him,  perhaps even in money, after all the three wise men did give him material riches, right? ,  anyway what’s your point? You should have included that in your question, why not if you knew the true answer yourself?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

     

    #868362
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?  The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ, that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say? You have a big imagination,  and are very brave to think you have authority to change the meanings and intent of what scriptures actually are saying.  But then all false religion does that, they add words by changing what is actually said into something else they can twist to mean something different . Sounds like a true “trinitarian” .

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

    #868365
    Berean
    Participant

    What does 2 Corinthians 8:9 mean? 

    In this section, Paul urges the Corinthians to follow through on a previous commitment to give money to meet the needs of suffering Christians in Jerusalem. He made clear in the previous verse that this is not a command. It is an opportunity to express the love of Christ to other believers.

    Now he describes how contributing to this gift is Christlike. Jesus was rich and secure in the glory of heaven. He willingly became poor when He became a man, entering into the world of suffering and death in the flow of time on earth. He did this in order to die for the sins of humanity so that all who trust in Him can be forgiven of their sin and one day experience the wealth and security of living in glory with God.

    In other words, Jesus demonstrated God’s grace by willingly becoming poor so the Corinthian Christians could become rich forever. Now the Corinthians had an opportunity to perform an act of grace themselves that would follow the example of Jesus’ own sacrifice.

    Bibleref.com

    #868366
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean. …..I do agree with part of what you said, but I believe Jesus had the riches of his relationship with God  before he ever came into his “only” existence on this earth ,  he was prophesied to rich before he was ever born, and he well know what his was,  and what he was to become, from his youth on this earth, not from some “prexistent” life.   ALL the riches and glory Jesus had was a prohesied glory and riches,  which was afford him before he ever came into his “only” existence.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #868368
    Berean
    Participant

    It’s the gospel according to Gene
    that you tell me there

    #868369
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean. ….It’s not my Gospel, it’s what is written in our bible text,  you can’t find any where in our text that says Jesus, “preexisted” as a Sentinel being before his birth on this earth.   To say he did preexist, is to demean the work of God in and through humanity.

    God the Father,  did not take a prexisting being,  “morph” him into a human  and pass him off as a “real” human . That what SATAN wants us all to believe.  That’s  the BIG “LIE”  and the other is like it,  “Jesus is a prexisting “GOD” who created everything .  These are all SATANIC “LIES”, Satan uses to try to make Jesus out to be something different then we,  “his brothers” and “sisters” are. 

    Satan knows full well by us looking at Jesus as not actually being, a human being,  who came into his “only” true existence as we do, will cause us to lose “FAITH” in the power of God, to perfect all of his “HUMAN” creation, ” his “Crown” Jewel of all creation. 

    So Satan through his deceptive work in the Churches early on, changed  Jesus’ true  idenity with us,   by creating a false “IMAGE” of him as a GOD, or some other being preexisting his birth  on this earth, which “causes” people to think Jesus is not “truly” exactly as we are”.  Which in turn brakes our FAITH IN GOD’S  work,   in humanity. 

    So anyone who teaches and preaches Jesus as comming into his “only” existence “any” different the we did,  is doing the work of Satan himself.  2THS2.  SHOWS CLEARLY, Satan has made the “IMAGE” of Jesus into, “a man of sin”, and all who preach and worship him that way are “IDOLATERS ” .

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #868372
    Proclaimer
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    Berean. …….Thought he was rich, can mean many things

    Like he was rich, emptied himself and became poor. As a human, lower than the angels from the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

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