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  • July 2, 2015 at 8:54 pm#800546
    Proclaimer
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    Confusion is to make Jesus, God himself. Doing that makes him his own son. We should stick with simplicity in Christ.

    The wise of this world are foolish in the eyes of God and complicate things because they want to appear as masters of understanding while the rest are rightly confused. Simple truth that a child can understand is offensive to them. But Jesus said that to enter the Kingdom of God, we must become like little children. We must be humble.

    Jesus said the following important statement in John 17:3. Do you believe what he said?
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Thus, if you believe what Jesus said here, then you believe the opening line in this text. If you do not believe the opening line because you hold to the Trinity Doctrine, then neither do you believe what Jesus said in John 17:3

    July 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm#800599
    AndrewAD
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    Too bad the author of St Johns prologue calls Jesus God as does the author of Hebrews,and Paul ends up worshiping Jesus as a god too.And even Matthew puts Jesus on Gods throne at the end.They all throw logic out the window,or just add to the fable. What a confusing pity it all is.

    July 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm#800600
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    Do you not know the God of Israel?

    God was IN CHRIST

    Was God in God?

    July 3, 2015 at 1:37 pm#800603
    AndrewAD
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    Maybe God was in God or three persons as in Genesis when those “angels” called God visited and had a meal with humans.Does the God of Israel know the God of Christianity?

    July 3, 2015 at 1:43 pm#800604
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    Yes false Christianity has caused much confusion by her polytheistic doctrines.

    She has no relationship with the God of Israel.

    July 3, 2015 at 2:08 pm#800607
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    For us there is one God the Father.

    For others, there are multiple persons as God or multiple gods.

    As for God’s son, every tongue will confess him as Lord, to the glory of God his Father.

    Might as well start confessing the truth now.

    July 3, 2015 at 2:15 pm#800609
    AndrewAD
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    Might as well? for what reason? for pure fear of the so called judgement? how sweet and gracious is that!

    July 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm#800614
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    For the purpose of willingly aligning with truth.

    Of those not willing, they will confess it eventually, not because they are prodded, but because by then it will be self-evident.

    July 3, 2015 at 2:47 pm#800615
    kerwin
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    AndrewAD,

    Too bad the author of St Johns prologue calls Jesus God as does the author of Hebrews,and Paul ends up worshiping Jesus as a god too.And even Matthew puts Jesus on Gods throne at the end.They all throw logic out the window,or just add to the fable. What a confusing pity it all is.

    Where, as I can not find these verses you speak of.

    July 3, 2015 at 2:51 pm#800616
    kerwin
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    AndrewAD,

    Because you hunger and thirst to be righteous as God is righteous. I assume you are knowledgeable of the B-Attitudes.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm#800617
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    If you search for confusion you will find it.

    And folks will queue up to lead you into deep darkness.

     

    But light and truth is also accessible.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:10 pm#800619
    AndrewAD
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    Kerwin you can’t find these verses since you are unwilling to acknowledge them and Nick you are full of confusion but of course it’s all by the spirit which makes it all good.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm#800621
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    What do you find confusing?

     

    July 3, 2015 at 3:18 pm#800623
    Proclaimer
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    Jesus is worshipped as the son of God and the Lamb of God. The Father is worshipped as God.

    The text ‘The Throne of God and of the Lamb’ speaks of two. i.e., God and the Lamb.

    In English, something AND something means two. not one.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm#800625
    kerwin
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    Andrew,

    Interpretation is you cannot prove there are verses which say what you claim they and yet you agree that Peter called Jesus a human being on Pentecost.

    In addition you cannot prove Scripture is wrong and God can be tempted even as Jesus was and was tempted even as common to humanity.

    The only way Jesus can be the Son of God is if there are two God and if there is two Gods then you have polytheism.

    That is the result of attempting to reconcile beliefs in the polytheistic imperial cult with monotheistic Christianity.

    You have three God that are one God.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm#800627
    AndrewAD
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    “The only way Jesus can be the Son of God is if there are two God and if there is two Gods then you have polytheism.”

    Wow you really said that Kerwin!? have you gone muslim now? or Judaism? you no longer believe Jesus is the son of God? I guess you are really not a christian then whether that be polytheism or not. If so then good for you I guess.What boldness to go against your beloved bible!

    July 3, 2015 at 3:41 pm#800628
    AndrewAD
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    Kerwin you are antichrist as scripture has said about he that denies the son of God.

    July 3, 2015 at 3:53 pm#800630
    NickHassan
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    Hi Andrew,

    I think you misunderstand Kerwin.

     

    July 3, 2015 at 4:35 pm#800633
    AndrewAD
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    Nick, he said it clearly which really shows how confused he really is about his own religion.  Thank goodness you and I are so gracious!

    But I do understand his confusion too. It’s all crazy!

    July 3, 2015 at 5:02 pm#800636
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    There is no confusion. God begat a son. How hard is that to grasp.

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