@Berean,

Nothing like continuing to evade and dodge the question; are you afraid to say the name of the Jesus? Are you ashamed to proclaim his name? Is it because you know none of the verses support that belief when placed in the context they are written? So sad!

Isaiah is speaking of a son that has already been born…Hezekiah and NOT the…[Read more]

Which is whom!!!!

Me

This is the One who is in the fiery furnace with the three faithful Hebrews.(Daniel 3:25)

@Berean,

Which is whom!!!!

Why are you being so evasive?

This isn’t about moving on; it’s still the central issue.

The Prince of Peace in Isaiah 9 IS THE SON OF THE MAN IN DANIEL 7.

That’s what I believe.

@Berean,

Who do you say the Isa 9:5-6 passage is about? Let’s finish this goal before we move it.

For me, endless peace is an eternal peace that will never end.

This has not yet happened on this earth.

But

Daniel 7: tells us

13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like👉 the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came 👉to the Ancient of days👈, and they brought him (son of man) near before him.(Ancient of day)
And there was…[Read more]

@Berean,

This is the passage you posted and have been using during our conversation.

5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, “the prince of peace.”

6To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end,…

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To him who increases the authority, and👉 for peace 👉without end, on David’s throne👈 and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.
 
Did Hezekiah’s reign bring about  peace WITHOUT END? Yes or…[Read more]

@Berean,

And for you, FOR how long should this last? A few years, a few centuries, endless???

You aren’t helping your cause as I have already answered your question thru examples. Again, this king spoken of in the previous verse canNOT be the Jesus (christian belief, including yours) as there is a starting point of “now”, in Isaiah’s time; the Jes…[Read more]

6To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David’s throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; 👉from now and👉 to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts 👉shall accomplish this.

And for you, FOR how long should this last?
A few years, a few centuries, endless???

the z…[Read more]

@Berean,

Why are you quoting from a Hebrew translation? This translation destroys how king Jimmy translates it.

Did you finally leave the shackles of E. G. White?

Who do you think it speaking of if it isn’t Hezekiah or the Jesus?

What does the “now and to eternity” mean; are you understanding it with modern language or with the understanding…[Read more]

@DT

I didn’t mention Jesus in my last post.

I’m simply saying that the text of Isaiah prophesies something magnificent, more magnificent than the kingship of Hezekiah, something that will last 👉for eternity.

5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us; and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the…[Read more]

@Berean,

I see you didn’t read anything and are still smashing the “Ellen White Believe Button”; please provide a single passage in the NT where the Jesus is called any of these titles “wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father” OR the “prince of peace.” Additionally 9:7 says that there will be no end of the government of…[Read more]

Pope Leo XIV Calls on the Jesuits to Promote Global Systemic Change Through Solidarity, the Common Good, and Ecological Conversion
 

On October 24, 2025, Pope Leo XIV addressed the leading Jesuits in Rome and made a direct appeal to them to take the lead in fulfilling their mission at all levels of society—spiritually, politically, and c…[Read more]

Is Hezekiah the child foretold in Isaiah 9:6-7?

I would say that he don’t  fulfills Isaiah 9:5-7.  This prophecy is so glorious in its wording:

“The authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, ‘the prince of peace.'”

Hezekiah was a good king, yes, but the wording of the p…[Read more]

@Berean,

You may want to read the last sentence of what I wrote; I explicitly state the king I’m speaking of and give passages for one to read concerning this king, the son of king Ahaz.

Since you went to chabad.org to get the verses in question, did you read the commentary?

Can you answer why Ahaz would need to hear about a “messiah” (for…[Read more]

@ DT

5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, “the prince of peace.” הכִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔ו…[Read more]

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@Lightenup

You asked if I have a favorite translation and if I compare them to others. Don’t have a favorite translation; but, when reading the Tanakh I read from a Hebrew translation as that is the closest I can get to the original until I learn Hebrew.

Do I compare translations, the short answer, yes. My study aid ranges from software to o…[Read more]

@Lightenup

If the questions you ask AI are christian geared, don’t you think the response will also be christian geared? Try a compare and contrast between the Hebrew and christian understandings and what type of answer you will receive. Ask:

What is the difference in understanding of Isaiah 9:6 in the Tanakh and KJV?

ChatGPT’s sum…[Read more]