Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #304356
    kerwin
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    To all;

    Hebrews 1:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    1) This Scripture teaches that God spoke through the profits in previous times.

    2) It also teaches us that only in these last days has he spoken through his Son.

    We are taught that the Angel of God spoke to the people in previous times and therefore cannot be the Son, who has spoken to believers in these last days.

    We are taught the World to come is not subject to to angels and so it is not subjected to the Angel of the Lord; though it is subjected to the Son.

    #304365
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2012,17:17)
    To all;

    Hebrews 1:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    1) This Scripture teaches that God spoke through the profits in previous times.

    2) It also teaches us that only in these last days has he spoken through his Son.

    We are taught that the Angel of God spoke to the people in previous times and therefore cannot be the Son, who has spoken believers in these last days.

    We are taught the World to come is not subject to to angels and so it is not subjected to the Angel of the Lord; though it is subjected to the Son.


    K

    you should read ALL of the Hebrew letter and understand what Paul is saying ,

    so you can answer those questions you are asking

    #304371
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2012,10:17)
    To all;

    We are taught that the Angel of God spoke to the people in previous times
    and therefore cannot be the Son, who has spoken believers in these last days.

    We are taught the World to come is not subject to to angels and so
    it is not subjected to the Angel of the Lord;  though it is subjected to the Son.


    Hi Kerwin,

    It seems some of us are having trouble making the distinctions you have made.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #304372
    Ed J
    Participant

    Kerwin was not asking any questions, Pierre.

    #304373
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,18:45)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2012,10:17)
    To all;

    We are taught that the Angel of God spoke to the people in previous times
    and therefore cannot be the Son, who has spoken believers in these last days.

    We are taught the World to come is not subject to to angels and so
    it is not subjected to the Angel of the Lord;  though it is subjected to the Son.


    Hi Kerwin,

    It seems some of us are having trouble making the distinctions you have made.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org


    edj and K

    it seems that you guys can not understand scriptures ,ONLY VERSES AND THEN ONLY ONE AT THE TIME ,

    you both should read the whole letter to the HEBREW and meditate on it

    #304374
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2012,18:49)
    Kerwin was not asking any questions, Pierre.


    edj

    I know but I did and still waiting

    #304375
    Ed J
    Participant

    Heb 2:5

    #304388
    kerwin
    Participant

    T;

    Those few passages teach us certain things but the rest of Hebrews still teach us more and reinforce those things we already know.

    Chapter 1 is clearly making the point that the Son is not an angel for to which angel did God state “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?”.  Instead he commanded the angels to pay homage to the Son, Hebrews 1:5-6.

    #304391
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2012,21:45)
    T;

    Those few passages teach us certain things but the rest of Hebrews still teach us more and reinforce those things we already know.

    Chapter 1 is clearly making the point that the Son is not an angel for to which angel did God state “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?”.  Instead he commanded the angels to pay homage to the Son, Hebrews 1:5-6.


    K

    when? why ?, were ?? and what angels ?

    answer me those questions

    #304393
    david
    Participant

    For the private discussion between T8 and Nick, it would be easier for Nick to understand if the discussion was happening in Greek. Well, it wouldn't be easier to understand, (unless he speaks greek) but all his comments would seem rather silly if we were to translate them into Greek.

    He would be saying: “No, angel does not mean angel.” He would be saying this over and over and over again. “Angel does not mean angel.” Or, he would be saying: “messenger does not mean messenger.” And: Messenger is not messenger. Or “An angel is not an angel.”

    Let's put that whole discussion into a Greek translator, and perhaps Nick will understand the humor of his statements better.

    I also wonder if it means anything to anyone that angel and messenger are the same word. Like, perhaps spirit angels/messengers (angels) are primarily known as being angels/messengers (messengers), and hence, that is why spirit angels/messengers are called angels/messengers (messengers/angels).

    The greek would really make that more clear.

    david

    #304401
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (david @ June 28 2012,16:10)
    For the private discussion between T8 and Nick, it would be easier for Nick to understand if the discussion was happening in Greek.  Well, it wouldn't be easier to understand, (unless he speaks greek) but all his comments would seem rather silly if we were to translate them into Greek.

    He would be saying: “No, angel does not mean angel.”  He would be saying this over and over and over again.  “Angel does not mean angel.”  Or, he would be saying: “messenger does not mean messenger.”  And:  Messenger is not messenger.  Or “An angel is not an angel.”

    Let's put that whole discussion into a Greek translator, and perhaps Nick will understand the humor of his statements better.

    I also wonder if it means anything to anyone that angel and messenger are the same word.  Like, perhaps spirit angels/messengers (angels) are primarily known as being angels/messengers (messengers), and hence, that is why spirit angels/messengers are called angels/messengers (messengers/angels).  

    The greek would really make that more clear.

    david


    Hi All

    An angel is a messenger.  
    An angel is also a servant of the Lord,
    An angel fights for the Lord, so is part of God's army,
    and an angel is a protector of whomever the lord sends him to protect.  
    An angel is also a witness of the Most high and our Lord Jesus, also a witness against Satan and wicked men, and a witness to good men
    An angel is a policeman of the spirit world
    and an angel is a creature
    An angel is so much more than a just messenger,

    A postman is a messenger
    also a newsreader
    the prophets are messengers
    so are the followers
    We don't need the Greek meaning to understand what an angel is, we just need to know God, and we will understand.
    The bible is available in all languages, for everyone,
    not just for the Greeks
    We all speak the same language when it comes to spiritual, there is no barrier
    For God shares his word to all

    God bless everyone

    #304402
    kerwin
    Participant

    T;

    Jehovah states that he commanded the angels to pay homage to Jesus Christ as soon as he came into the world, Hebrews 1:6. I have heard of no angel he did not so instruct. I know the angels paid him homage when he was first revealed to the world, Luke 2:13-14. That was done at Bethlehem.

    Jehovah prophesied that he would acknowledge his Son when setting the king on his holy hill, Psalms 2:6-7. The why is mentioned in Philippians 2:6-10.

    #304437
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    There really isn't that much to understand here.
    It is obvious that the word malak/angel/messenger is applied to heavenly messengers and men too.
    It is also obvious that the word angel at times refers exclusively to heavenly beings in particular.
    That is why context is important. There is no one rule here.

    Similarly, the words theos & elohim are exclusively used of the Father most of the time. But is also used of angels, men, Satan, idols, and demons or false gods.

    I bet that most understand this deep down, but due to intellectual pride, some are going beyond this and trying to apply rules that don't work. Hence why Nick could not admit that the world malak/angel/messenger can apply to men. And why Ed J is trying hard to to turn all applications of this word to men as being an adjective like angelic.

    I think that some are just trying to protect predefined doctrines and that is the real reason for not accepting how scripture treats the word angel. We should not silence or change scripture. Rather we should change or be silent if we differ with scripture.

    #304440
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2012,01:29)
    T;

    Jehovah states that he commanded the angels to pay homage to Jesus Christ as soon as he came into the world, Hebrews 1:6.  I have heard of no angel he did not so instruct.  I know the angels paid him homage when he was first revealed to the world, Luke 2:13-14.  That was done at Bethlehem.

    Jehovah prophesied that he would acknowledge his Son when setting the king on his holy hill, Psalms 2:6-7.  The why is mentioned in Philippians 2:6-10.


    K

    43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.XXL version

    #304441
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2012,21:45)
    T;

    Those few passages teach us certain things but the rest of Hebrews still teach us more and reinforce those things we already know.

    Chapter 1 is clearly making the point that the Son is not an angel for to which angel did God state “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?”.  Instead he commanded the angels to pay homage to the Son, Hebrews 1:5-6.


    Hi Kerwin,

    Read the passages you mentioned in Young's Literal Translation. Then tell me how your understanding changed when you read the correct translation of the word “aggelos”.

    #304460
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2012,10:17)
    To all;

    Hebrews 1:2
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    1) This Scripture teaches that God spoke through the profits in previous times.

    2) It also teaches us that only in these last days has he spoken through his Son.

    We are taught that the Angel of God spoke to the people in previous times and therefore cannot be the Son, who has spoken to believers in these last days.

    We are taught the World to come is not subject to to angels and so it is not subjected to the Angel of the Lord; though it is subjected to the Son.


    Kerwin.

    The prophets were messengers;giving the message to israel.
    Angels also gave messages to daniel: he was the messenger.
    Jesus gave the message to the apostles;he is THE messenger.

    The saints passed on the message to the flock;they are messengers.
    we are passing the message to our brethren;we are messengers.

    wakeup.

    #304531
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all;

    You all know it is written that the the World to come is not subject to Messengers.  If you state Messengers means both man and angelic beings then you state it is not subject to Jesus Christ.  You know that is not true. That leaves you with two possibilities which are:

    1}  The earth is subject to humanity and the creatures from the realm of spirit are called angels

    2}  The earth is subject to the creatures from the realm of spirit and humanity is called angels.

    Elsewhere it is written that humanity is created a little lower than the Messengers.  In that passage it can be seen that:

    1} Jesus was created a human
    2} The Messengers spoken of are not part of humanity.

    It is also written that instead of taking on the nature of Messengers he took on himself the seed of Abraham.  This teaches us that:

    1} the Messengers spoken of are not the seed of Abraham
    2} Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham
    3} Jesus Christ does not have the nature of the Messengers spoken of.

    #304538
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2012,05:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2012,01:29)
    T;

    Jehovah states that he commanded the angels to pay homage to Jesus Christ as soon as he came into the world, Hebrews 1:6.  I have heard of no angel he did not so instruct.  I know the angels paid him homage when he was first revealed to the world, Luke 2:13-14.  That was done at Bethlehem.

    Jehovah prophesied that he would acknowledge his Son when setting the king on his holy hill, Psalms 2:6-7.  The why is mentioned in Philippians 2:6-10.


    K

    43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.XXL version


    T,

    That is Deuteronomy 32.43 in the Greek but seems to be lacking in the Hebrew language manuscripts. Some believe Psalm 97.7 is a parallel passage.

    #304540
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2012,09:45)
    To all;

    You all know it is written that the the World to come is not subject to Messengers.  If you state Messengers means both man and angelic beings then you state it is not subject to Jesus Christ.  You know that is not true. That leaves you with two possibilities which are:

    1}  The earth is subject to humanity and the creatures from the realm of spirit are called angels

    2}  The earth is subject to the creatures from the realm of spirit and humanity is called angels.

    Elsewhere it is written that humanity is created a little lower than the Messengers.  In that passage it can be seen that:

    1} Jesus was created a human
    2} The Messengers spoken of are not part of humanity.

    It is also written that instead of taking on the nature of Messengers he took on himself the seed of Abraham.  This teaches us that:

    1} the Messengers spoken of are not the seed of Abraham
    2} Jesus Christ is the seed of Abraham
    3} Jesus Christ does not have the nature of the Messengers spoken of.


    Kerwin.

    What are the apostles? Have they not given us the message?
    Are they not men?

    Example; the book of revelation:came from God,he gave it to Jesus, and Jesus gave it o the angel, and the angel gave it to John, and john gave it to the churches,and the churches give it to the world. From Jesus –to — the churches and the individual are all messengers.
    Jesus/angels/men/ all are messengers.

    wakeup.

    #304577
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2012,16:59)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2012,05:16)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2012,01:29)
    T;

    Jehovah states that he commanded the angels to pay homage to Jesus Christ as soon as he came into the world, Hebrews 1:6.  I have heard of no angel he did not so instruct.  I know the angels paid him homage when he was first revealed to the world, Luke 2:13-14.  That was done at Bethlehem.

    Jehovah prophesied that he would acknowledge his Son when setting the king on his holy hill, Psalms 2:6-7.  The why is mentioned in Philippians 2:6-10.


    K

    43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.XXL version


    T,

    That is Deuteronomy 32.43 in the Greek but seems to be lacking in the Hebrew language manuscripts.  Some believe Psalm 97.7 is a parallel passage.


    K

    did I ask this answer from you ?? no

    but you did not answer ,my questions ,so I will call you the verse man,

    understanding = one verse
    written word of God = one verse
    if Kerwin does not know = you should know so do not ask

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