The Beast Revealed

Introduction

The following is a presentation of an eschatological view that teaches the Islamic Caliphate as the last head of the Beast mentioned in the Book of Revelation. The purpose of this teaching is to present this theory as a possible interpretation that fulfills the prophecies regarding the seventh Beast on Earth, (actually the seventh and eighth kings spoken of by John). This Beast is an Islamic Empire and is said to be ruled by the Islamic Mahdi whose description uncannily matches the Antichrist spoken of in the Bible.

Seven Headed BeastThere are of course a number of popular end-time theories. Let’s first take a quick look at two popular eschatological views.

The Futurist View says that Europe is the Beast, the Antichrist a Jew, and the Mark of the Beast as a computer chip or bar-code implanted into people’s right-hand or forehead for the purposes of buying and selling.

The Preterite View interprets prophecies of the Bible as events that have already happened throughout history. This view usually features The Roman Empire, emperors, the Vatican, and popes as having fulfilled many end-time prophecies. I personally remain open minded on all the views out there and do think there is some merit with many of them, but obviously all cannot be right in their entirety.

An important thing to note before me move on to this new eschatological view is where other views place Islam. Many consider Islam to be important enough to play a part in the End Times, but they do not know where if at all it is mentioned in the Bible. This teaching places the Islamic Caliphate as the last head of the Beast.

The Islamic Beast Eschatological View

The Islamic Beast eschatological view for want of a better title is conjecture just like all other views. But it seems to tick all the boxes and is worthy of our consideration because the evidence is very compelling. Without further ado, I present the evidence that supports the Islamic Caliphate as the last Kingdom that belongs to the Beast that rises from the Great Sea headed by the Antichrist.

The AntiChrist

The Bible clearly states that antichrists deny the Father and the Son in 1 John 2:22-23:

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son, the same doesn’t have the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

The Quran states clearly in Quran 2:116
Who says “Allah has begotten a Son”?

Quran 10.68
They say, “Allah hath begotten a son!” Glory be to Him! He is Self-Sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this!

To understand how central to the Islamic faith it is to oppose the view that God has a son, these words are inscribed in the mosque at the Dome of the Rock where the Jews formerly worshipped YHWH:
“Far be it from God that he should have a son!”
Thus Islam is an antichrist religion according to scripture.

Who conquered the Roman Beast?

Nebuchadnezzar Statue

Nebuchadnezzar Statue

In scripture and history we see that each head on the Beast (kingdom) was succeeded by the next, i.e., Babylon was conquered by Persia was conquered by Greece was conquered by Rome. So it would be logical to think then that whoever conquered Rome could be the next Beast if we follow this pattern. However, many remain confused about who conquered Rome because they believe that the Roman Empire just fell into decline rather than being conquered by a succeeding empire. What many do not consider is that the Roman Empire had two legs, the western leg and eastern leg and this is even pictured in the statue of Daniel’s vision in Daniel 2:32-33:

“The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.

While the western leg did indeed decline over time, the eastern leg continued to exist for another thousand years. Think of Constantinople rather than Rome. So while we may view Rome as the center of the Roman Empire, in the last period of this empire, the capital was moved to Constantinople in the east which is now modern day Istanbul in Turkey. This period of the Roman Empire is often referred to as the Byzantine Empire hence why there is some confusion as to how the Roman Empire was conquered. Rest assure however that the Byzantine Empire was still the Roman Empire. It is called by this name to identify this phase of the Roman Empire. Historians do not consider the Eastern Roman Empire as being a different empire from the Roman Empire when its capital was Rome. The east did not conquer the west, instead the same empire just moved its capital from Rome to Constantinople. Both the Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire terminology are terms created after the end of the realm. Its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire. and themselves as Roman citizens.

The Ottoman Empire in 1795

The Ottoman Empire in 1795

So who conquered the Roman (Byzantine) Empire? It was the Ottoman Empire which was actually the first Islamic Caliphate. So the seventh empire spoken of by John appears to have already been fulfilled, it was the Ottoman Empire. Known as a Caliphate, it initially took control of the region and it said to have reached empire status when it conquered the Roman capital of Constantinople. It subsequently became the capital of the Ottoman Empire and was renamed to ‘Istanbul’.

In case you think that the Ottoman Empire was not significant enough to be compared with the previous empires that make up the Beast, then know this. It reigned for a significant period of time, from 1299 to around 1924. It could be argued that the Ottoman Empire was more of a state until 1453 when it conquered Constantinople the capital of the Roman Empire. And at the height of its power, it controlled much of southeast Europe, the Caucasus, Western Asia, and North Africa, even as far south as the Horn of Africa.

More proof for the identity of the seventh kingdom

Revelation 17:9
Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

While the popular view of the Beast is a revived Roman Empire, the above scripture (Revelation 17:9) shows us that the Roman Empire was only the sixth kingdom because that was the empire that reigned when John gave the prophecy, (five have fallen, one is). We can clearly see that there is still a seventh kingdom to come and also an eighth which is of the seventh (or seven). We also know that each kingdom/empire was succeeded by the next and that the Ottoman Empire conquered the Roman Empire and took over its capital.

Another significant feature of  The Ottoman Empire was its length of rule. It reigned for 500 years or so over a huge swathes of land around the Mediterranean Sea. Its capital was Istanbul in Turkey which was called Constantinople during the reign of the Eastern Roman Empire. These two points are significant because Istanbul resides in modern day Turkey today and scripture itself actually tells us that Turkey is the location for the seat of the Antichrist and the Beast. It also says that the Beast arises out of the ‘Great Sea’ which is the Mediterranean Sea, we will read about this later. First take a look at Revelation 13:2:

The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

We can see that the Dragon (who is Satan) gave his throne to the Beast. So where is Satan’s throne located? Take a look at Revelation 2:12:

“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘I know your works, and where you dwell… where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to my name, and did not deny my faith even in the days in which Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.  

So where is Pergamum? It is in Turkey, the very same country where both the capitals of the Roman Empire and Ottoman empires were located. Is it a coincidence then that both the late Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire had their capitals in the very same country as the location of Satan’s throne?

Other popular views today regarding the seventh head/kingdom include: the British Empire and or the American Empire. But there is one simple verse in Daniel that rules out any other empire outside of the Mediterranean as being part of the Beast. The verse is Daniel 7:1-3

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.

According to most commentary on the term ‘great sea’, it is identified as the Mediterranean Sea. In fact if you google “The Great Sea” Google also tells you that it is the Mediterranean Sea. If this is correct, then we can see that the Beast or the last four empires are indeed from the Middle East and specifically around the Mediterranean, which by reason of this excludes empires outside of this region. In fact all seven empires had extensive coastline in the Mediterranean Sea, even Egypt.

Picture this. Just outside of Israel is a Beast that is ready to devour the Jews and occupy the promised land. It is not too hard to see what is happening here. God carves out a country for himself as we read in scripture, in order to demonstrate his power and existence to the Gentiles. Satan’s opposition to Israel (the promised land) is surrounded by a Beast that attacks and persecutes not only that nation, but all her offspring too.

Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

This is one of the signs of each head of the Beast. They persecuted the Jews and even captivated them. We cannot say the same about The British Empire or the American Empire.

The seven kingdoms

Let’s take a look at all seven gentile kingdoms that ruled the biblical world in succession:

  1. Egypt – 3100 to 677 BC (Genesis 12:10)
  2. Assyria – 677 to 626 BC (Genesis 2:14)
  3. Babylon – 626 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
  4. Medo-Persia – 539 – 449 BC (Daniel 5:28)
  5. Greecia – 449 – 146 BC (Daniel 10:20)
  6. Rome – 146 BC-476 AD eastern leg / 1453 AD western leg or Byzantium (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
  7. Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)

Note: Many of these empires existed at the same time, but the following empire defeated the previous empire in this list. The dates are approximate.

The Beast receives a deadly wound

Which of the heads then suffers a deadly wound?

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

We also read that this beast is referred with the following description: “whose deadly wound was healed”.

Understanding this, we see the history of the Ottoman/Islamic Empire as fitting that description perfectly. It ceased to exist in the wake of WW1 meaning that the whole seven headed beast actually died because all the previous heads of the beast existed in succession. So the beast is officially gone today. Over a century later, we have seen the attempted rise of an Islamic Empire when ISIS declared its Caliphate. It failed as we all know,  but that is obviously not the end of the story. Many in the Islamic world long for an Islamic Caliphate.

ISIS caliphate projection

ISIS optimistic 5 year projection of new Caliphate

Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,

Next we read in Revelation 17:11:

The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

This perfectly describes the rise of a future Islamic Caliphate. If the Ottoman (Islamic) Empire was the seventh and the eighth comes from the seventh, then the rise of an Islamic Caliphate in modern times could indeed be the fulfillment of these scriptures. This means the Beast that once was will be again.

We further read in scripture that this whole Beast will be destroyed by a stone that struck the statue. That stone is the Kingdom of God and it will spread to the whole Earth. There are also a number of signs in scripture that also describe the nature of the Islamic Caliphate that we see on the rise today. If true, this means that Islam will be conquered by Christ and his kingdom.

What about a revived Roman Empire instead of an Islamic Caliphate

But what about the view that the Roman Empire will be the empire that comes back to life. This is a popular view and one that has been taught for many years. This of course is still possible and fits in the realm of this Islamic Eschatological view because most immigration to Europe is coming from the Islamic world. Also notice that the eighth king doesn’t necessarily mean it belongs to the seventh kingdom, but it could be all of the seven. Let’s read that verse again:

Revelation 17:11:
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Does this mean seventh or all seven? I don’t know.

It could turn out that Europe is still part of this resurrected kingdom. In Daniel 2:43 we read that the feet are not just clay, but iron mixed with clay.
You saw the iron mixed with clay–the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay.

If the legs of iron were Rome and the two legs the East and West, then the last kingdom is a mixture of that iron but with clay.

Iron mixed with clay

Did you know that the word ‘mixed’ here is actually the word ‘arab‘ in Aramaic. Further, if the iron is the Roman Empire and the mixing of clay is infiltration or taking over by Arabs as we see with the Ottoman Empire’s takeover of the Roman Empire, then it could happen once again where Arabs/Muslims takeover parts of Europe and continue to hold the Middle East as they do today.

Perhaps those who predict a revived Roman Empire’ are correct. Accept it may not be ruled by Romans/Europeans, but Muslims who are immigrating and invading Europe in hordes. The Muslim population in Europe has a much higher birth-rate than the native Europeans who are in decline. It is immigration that bolsters Europe’s population and if Muslims in Europe become large enough, Europe or parts of it could become Islamic states in the future. If this were to happen, Israel could easily find itself surrounded by enemies much further afield too. Israel is of course already surrounded by enemies, but there may not be a sympathetic Europe to help protect them if the Islamic world were to invade Israel at some point. If Muslims could rule not only the Middle East but a future Europe too or large swathes of it, then that would only leave only the USA as a partner for Israel. While the USA could remain a friend of Israel in years to come, they may also reject Israel, or perhaps the USA itself could fall. The latter two would leave Israel on their own. Of course this is all speculation, but it is good to keep an open mind on this as there are many ways this could all play out.

Muammar Gaddafi once said:

We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.
Speech (10 April 2006), quoted in New York Sun (6 September 2009)

The Mark of the Beast

Islam MarkWhile traditional eschatology teaches that a computer chip or bar-code of some kind will be placed on/in the hand or forehead in the last days, Muslims already wear on their forehead their mark which is, “In the name of Allah”. Remember that the mark of the beast is not just a number, but is also both a name and a mark/symbol. See Revelation 13:16-17

“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

Allah in Arabic

Allah in Arabic

So what exactly does it mean when scripture says ‘name’? And could the creed of Islam really be the mark, the number, and the name. Scripture uses the word ‘name’ often to identify a person as you would well imagine, but scripture also uses that word to describe the essence or character of a person or thing. Just as the Old Testament says of the coming messiah that his name shall be called ‘Emmanuel’ (God is with us) he was not actually called by that name, rather its meaning or creed was used to describe the coming messiah. Likewise the creed or name of Islam is written on the foreheads of these radical Muslims. Islamic Mark 666

The term “In the name of Allah” in Arabic resembles 666 (χξς) in Greek. It is possible that John actually saw in his vision the mark or name of Allah and it reminded him of the number 666 or he just wrote the symbol down as he saw it and translators wrote it down as 666 as it was the closest thing to the symbol

This view also could explain a puzzle. While most ancient texts say the number is 666, some say ‘616’ and nobody knows why. So what was it about this part of the text that caused some manuscripts to copy it as 616? What if John saw the Arabic for “In the name of Allah”? That could explain the confusion because he didn’t see a Hebrew number, instead he saw what looked like a number but was actually a name, and also a mark/symbol. “…except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

In the future, it is not hard to imagine an Islamic leader or prophet forcing people to wear the symbol or name of Allah on their foreheads and further barring anyone not identifying their allegiance this way as being barred from buying and selling in society thereby denying basic things like food, shelter, and medicine. People would either wear this mark or reject it and face hardship even starvation by rejecting it. A visible wearing of this mark would identify whose side you were on. (You also have to wonder how the Futurist eschatological view of a computer chip, RFID tag, or barcode as the mark could also be a name or a symbol?)

The abomination that causes desolation

What about the abomination spoken of by the prophet Daniel? Well look no further than a The Dome of the Rock. Remember that written on the wall of this mosque is “Far be it from God that he should have a son!”. The mosque supposedly sits in the holy place where the Jewish Temple stood and given that Islam denies the son of God, then it could be said that it is an antichrist temple in the place of the Jewish Temple. Further, the Hadith (a compilation of oral reports after the death of Muhammad compiled by different authors) say that the Mahdi (Islamic messiah to come) will eye Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock as his home. Perhaps one day the Mahdi will sit in this temple as Islamic prophecy teaches. That could certainly qualify as the abomination in the holy place.

Jerusalem Temple Mount and Dome o the Rock

Jerusalem Temple Mount and Dome of the Rock Mosque

Who is beheading the Christians?

Revelation 20:4
…And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Can you imagine Italians, Romans, or the Vatican beheading Christians during the tribulation of the last days? To be fair the Vatican could have done this in the past. Today it is exclusively Muslims who are beheading Christians and others. Beheadings and even crucifixions are being performed today by radicals of Islam. Decapitations of course are a recurring theme during the 1,400 years of Islamic history. The earliest biographer of Muhammad recorded the decapitation of 700 men from the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina by order of Muhammad in 768 C.E. (‘Abd al-Malik Ibn Hisham, The Life of Muhammad.) So why does Islam have a history of beheadings? You don’t have to look any further than their own so-called holy book.

Quran 47:4
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.”

Quran 8:12
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

It seems that the Quran encourages the killing of non-Muslims and in particular Christians and Jews. This ties in with what the Bible says in John 16:2.

but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. “But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Who in the world kills Jews and Christians and by doing so think they are doing service to God? Is this not a perfect description for Radical Muslims today?

Who worships the dragon?

If Islam is Antichrist, then can Allah be the true God? While some consider it a name which just means God (including Arabic Bibles), it has to be said that Satan is also a god according to scripture, i.e., the god of this age/world.

2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

So just because someone is called God or a god, that is not proof that it is the one true God because there are many so-called gods or false gods. So what kind of God are we talking about whose religion fits the Bible’s description of antichrist? And what is it that we see over 1 billion people doing before this God every day. In fact Islam required that Allah is worshipped five times a day with varying bodily positions performed including laying prostrate. In Revelation 13:4 we read:

they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

Here we see that men will worship the dragon. Scripture reveals the dragon as Satan in the same Book of Revelation. The word ‘satan’ means ‘adversary’. The word ‘worship’ has a number of associated meanings with one being ‘prostrate‘ which means ‘lying on the ground with one’s face downward’. A perfect description of those who worship Allah don’t you think? Also bear in mind that the heads of the Beast or kingdoms that have made up the Beast in history cover an area of the world that is predominantly Muslim. So the majority of the Biblical world today which is also where the Beast resides,  actually belongs to Islam. They deny outright that Jesus is the son of God which by biblical definition is how the Antichrist spirit reveals itself. They worship Allah five times a day and prostrate themselves before Allah. The question is begged, is Allah, Satan of the Bible? Well we know that the true God has a son, and Satan doesn’t have a son because he cannot procreate or begat. So if Allah doesn’t have a son, then he cannot be the true God because the true God has a son.

Who has declared war against the most terrible of nations?

Ezekiel 28:7-8
Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you, the most ruthless of the nations and they will draw their swords against the beauty of your wisdom and defile your splendor. ‘They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die the death of those who are slain in the heart of the seas.

Many think the above verse is talking about Islam and the Mahdi/ Antichrist. It says that he will declare war against the most ruthless/terrible of nations. Who are the most ruthless of nations today? The word ‘ruthless’ is synonymous with ‘terrible’. Translations usually use one or the other word. Terrible and ruthless in other verses is talking about being ruthless in battle. See Ezekiel 30:10-11 for example:

“I will also make the hordes of Egypt cease by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. “He and his people with him, the most ruthless of the nations, will be brought in to destroy the land; and they will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

So who are the most powerful military powers today? Well that would have to be the USA and the West in general. And who today has declared war on the USA and the West? I can only think of one entity, The Islamic World.  And notice that it is a coalition of nations or more than one nation that defeats this enemy. This could be describing the West. If this view is correct, then we could certainly be near the end of this age as there is already a war against terror or Radical Islam vs Israel and the West or the West vs Radical Islam. However, I hesitate to include this idea because it is not certain that this verse is talking about the time of the end or some other time after the prophecy was given. I continue to investigate this opinion as it might be an important clue.

The Mahdi as the Antichrist

In the Islamic world, The Hadith is a compilation of oral reports after the death of Muhammad compiled by different authors over the centuries. They contain Islamic teachings and prophecies. The Mahdi prophesied in the Hadith is a person  whom Muslims await in a similar fashion as Christians awaiting the second coming of Christ. When you compare the descriptions and prophecies of the Mahdi with what is written in the Bible about the Antichrist, they seem to be talking about the same person or at least match the descriptions and prophecies of the Bible. Are they the same person?

  • Both are military leaders

Both the Mahdi and the Antichrist are described as a powerful political military leaders.

  • Both are stout

Both the Mahdi and Antichrist are described as being stout with unusual eyes. See Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. The Hadith says: Mahdi translates to ‘guided one’. His appearance will be the first sign of the third period. The Mahdi will be looked upon to kill Al-Dajjal and prepare for the reign of Jesus who will rule for a time after. The physical features of Mahdi are described—he will be of Arab complexion and average height with a large belly, large eyes and a sharp nose. He will have a mole on his cheek, the sign of the prophet on his shoulder. He will rule for seven years. His name will be announced from the sky. He will bring the Ark of the Covenant to light. His banner will be black and unstitched, with a halo. He will be helped by angels and others that will prepare the way for him.
Notice that his banner will be black. This is what we see when ISIS overtakes a new territory. They raise black banners because they are trying to fulfill this Islamic prophecy.

  • Both sign seven year treaties

In the Hadith quoted above, you can see that the Mahdi will rule for seven years. Further, he will sign a seven year peace treaty Rasulullah [Muhammad] said: “There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans [Christians]. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadrat Haroon [Honorable Aaron – Moses’ brother] and will be upheld for seven years. (Tabarani, as related by Hadrat Abu Umamah, as quoted by Zubair Ali, p. 43 and Abduallah, p. 55) In Daniel 9:27 we read this: He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. In the Islamic world, it is acceptable to break a treaty, if you are advancing the cause of Islam. If the Dome of the Rock is the home of the Mahdi, (or even a rebuilt Jewish temple on this site) then him sitting in this temple could be the sign of the broken peace treaty which is the ‘abomination that causes desolation’ as mentioned by Daniel.

  • Both change laws and times

Makkah Clock Royal Tower

Makkah Clock Royal Tower

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Compare Daniel 7:25 with the obviously fact that Islam seeks to impose Sharia Law and the halal mark and you have a similar description. Further, there is also an increasing voice in Islam to change Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) to Mecca time. The world’s largest clock was unveiled in 2010 in Saudi Arabia. Its first official duty is marking time during Ramadan. The clock looks very similar to Big Ben (which keeps GMT) except it is six times taller making it the third tallest building in the world. The sheer size of this clock is meant to dwarf Big Ben in a symbolic move to make Islamic Time more prominent than Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).  Some have argued that GMT is the remnant of a colonial heritage, and it is time to turn over a new page. So the stage is already set for the Mahdi to move away from colonial laws and time to Islamic Sharia Law and Islamic Time.

  • Both target Christians, Jews, Israel, and Jerusalem

Radical Islam today targets all who do not accept Sharia Law, but especially persecutes Christians and Jews. It is not hard to accept that the Mahdi would take this to a new level such as what we read about the Antichrist in the Bible. Further, one of the main missions for Radical Islam is to wipe Israel off the map. This is why Hamas and other Palestinian authorities often refuse to agree to any deal to live alongside Israel or acknowledge her existence. Matthew 24:16-21:

then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.

Daniel 7:25:

“He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.”

  • Both honor a god of force/strongholds/war

It is clear that Radical Islam uses force or war to advance Sharia Law. It is justified in the Quran as a way to get people to worship Allah and obey Sharia Law. It would be assumed then that a future Mahdi would follow suit or take this to a new level. We read in the Quran the following: Quran 2:244 “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.” Quran 4:74 “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” Also, in Quran 4:76 “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” In the Bible, we read in Daniel 11:38-39 But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures. “He will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god; he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price. It also says that the will not regard the God of his fathers. This could mean he is an offspring of Abraham, but an Ishmaelite, thus the God that he does regard could be Allah, not YHWH who is the God of Abraham.

This same verse in the KJV and Webster’s Bible Translation says God of forces, while the Young’s Literal Translation says god of strongholds. I like the latter as it describes Satan’s works that Jesus came to destroy. We are told a number of times that we can bring down the enemy’s strongholds and certainly Islam is a stronghold. Further, Paul uses the word ‘fortresses/strongholds’ in 2 Corinthians 10:3-4, which he uses metaphorically to describe the spiritual battle before us: , NASB – Though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses or NIV – For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

  • Both do not honor the desire of woman

We all know about women’s rights in Islam. In Daniel 11:37 this trait is identified with the Antichrist: Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, … This verse seems to say that the Antichrist will not regard the desire of woman. While it is hard to know what that really means, taking it at face value seems to be the most accepted meaning. If that meaning is true, then it fits with the religion of Islam which has little regard for women in general.

The False prophet

We can see the connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the coming Islamic Mahdi, but scripture also mentions the false prophet. The Qur’an itself also prophesies the coming of the Islamic Jesus who is called “Isa Ibn Maryam”. Like the Bible, the Qu’ran says that he will return, but like all prophets in Islam, their Jesus is considered a Muslim.

According to the Hadith, the Islamic Jesus will descend in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi, He will fight against the Dajjal who is called the Antichrist or False messiah according to Islam. The Islamic Jesus will descend east of Damascus dressed in yellow robes. He will join the Mahdi and help fight against the Dajjal. Then the Islamic Jesus will slay the Antichrist, and at this point the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) will believe in him and will become part of Islam.

If the Antichrist of the Bible is the Madhi of Islam, then it seems logical at least that the False Prophet of the Bible is the Islamic Jesus. The idea is that if the Jews and Christians can be convinced that their Jesus is the true messiah, then they will convert to Islam. Now lets read about the False Prophet in Revelation 13:11-12

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed

Notice that this second beast who is the False Prophet is likened unto a lamb. This is important because Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So the false prophet is one who tries to mimic Jesus Christ, except he has two horns and speaks like a dragon. Further we know that the dragon is Satan, so the Lamb speaks like Satan. Satan means adversary, so this lamb will be adverse to the true Lamb of God.

The Bible and the Quran

It seems that  after John wrote the Book of Revelation, Satan decided to counter the prophecies by raising up a false prophet who started a religion that was the counter of what we read in the Bible. It didn’t help Christianity that it had fallen into false doctrine and idol worship around this time. It was perhaps this falling away that helped Islam take hold. With consequent centuries, the Islamic influence grew and even ruled as an empire after it conquered the Roman Empire with the conquering of Constantinople which was considered Christian. From there, it was a matter of converting all the people of the Ottoman empire to Islam. Eventually the area become predominantly Muslim and even the original seven churches in Revelation became an area dominated by Islam. This was achieved by converting people and killing those who refused Islam.

The role of the Trinity

In Islam’s early days it may have appealed to people who were sick of idol and saint worship as well as the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran gives a clue in 004:171 Rashad:

O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, “Trinity.” You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

It seems that the Doctrine of the Trinity was one of the Christian doctrines that they opposed and even though this doesn’t make the doctrine wrong, the doctrine is in the least, completely unnecessary and has caused much harm and division for Christians.

Even today, Christians preach the Trinity as a foundational doctrine, yet there is nothing in the Bible that says that they should preach the Trinity to anyone. Even many teachers whose eschatology is similar to this one still preach the Trinity. This is sad because it helps alienate Muslims and Jews from the gospel. It is an unnecessary stumbling block. Instead we should be preaching that Jesus is the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord. Look at Peter’s answer as to who Jesus was and look at the response from Jesus.

Matthew 16:13-20
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Simply put, this is the truth that we should be preaching with regards to who Jesus is because this is what the Father has revealed about his identity. To truly convert Muslims or religious Jews to Jesus Christ, they need only to believe who Jesus is besides required repentance etc. Muslims already accept that Jesus is the messiah, but reject that he is the son of God. In my experience it is not as hard as you think for Muslims to be converted and accept Jesus as the son of God and as the one whom God made both Lord and Messiah, (see Acts 2:36). However, they rarely accept the Trinity Doctrine and for good reason. It is not part of the gospel, it is not part of the elementary teachings of the faith, instead it was a doctrine that came centuries after the last book in the Bible was written. It may even have been this doctrine that helped Islam gain a foothold in this part of the world in the first place. Sadly it is still preached as being a requirement by many Christians today. If we want to convert Muslims and Jews with the gospel, then do not put unnecessary stumbling blocks in their way. To learn more about the Trinity Doctrine feel free to read this page.

That wraps up this presentation of this eschatological view and while it is quite different to more traditional views, it does explain a lot of prophecies well, where some of these other views struggle. However, it is important to remember that we would do well to consider new information and ideas that might come along in the future that could change everything. The last thing we should do as Believers in Christ is believe this or any other eschatological view wholeheartedly leaving us free to accept a future RFID chip in our bodies for example because our eschatological view does not accept a computer chip as the Mark of the Beast. Simply put, be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. Further those who hold stubbornly to certain views can cause divisions over arguments regarding differing views. Remember, we should make every effort to be at peace with our brothers.

Facts to consider

To sum up this eschatological view here are some facts to consider.

  1. The antichrist spirit exhibits a number of traits, one being that they deny the Father and Son.
  2. Because Islam teaches that God has no son, they clearly and openly deny that God is a Father and that he has a son.
  3. Islamic Caliphates are not only political entities, but they are also religious with their own laws and times.
  4. The Ottoman Empire was the next empire after the Roman Empire. It conquered the Roman Empire.
  5. We are told that their will be an eighth kingdom which is of the seventh or seven. See Revelation 17:11.
  6. Rome was clearly the sixth kingdom. It was the one that was in existence, when John gave the prophecy. See Revelation 17:9-10
  7. Historians do not consider the Eastern Roman Empire as a different empire from the western empire. The east did not conquer the west. The capital moved from Rome to Constantinople. That period of the kingdom is called the Byzantine period.
  8. Both the Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire terminology are historiographical terms created after the end of the realm. Its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire.
  9. Daniel sees the Beast rise out from the Great Sea. That is the name for the Mediterranean Sea in scripture, thus the kingdoms of the Beast are located around that sea.
  10. Islam gained ground partly because Christianity had fallen into idol & saint worship as well as false teachings.
  11. The Bible and Quran seem to teach the opposite of each other. It seems that one is the adversary of the other.
  12. The Book of Revelation tells us that Satan’s throne was in Turkey, the very country that the Ottoman Empire had its seat of government. It was also the seat of the Roman Empire during the Byzantine period.

Videos

Here are some videos containing teachings and evidence for this end-time eschatology. I do not necessarily support everything here or support the organisations behind the videos. Just food for thought in the context of this teaching.

The Islamic Beast

Soft Islamic Invasion of Europe

The Color of Islam


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  • #849063
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    The answer is what the Lord Jesus gave us in Luke about his return and it has nothing to do with any religion on this earth, it has to do with a system of rule called the Babyloian kingdoms as described in the Book of Daniel.

    Your opening sentence is riddled with error. First off, people will worship the beast and the dragon. Secondly, Islam is the religion of the Caliphate which is the empire. It encompasses its own law called Sharia.

    Do not be deceived. Islam is more than a religion. Their end game is to rule you and your country. And if they are true to their book, they will decapitate anyone who holds onto the true God and his son, Jesus Christ.

    #849064
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    Five were fallen, one is, and one is to come at the point of time John was speaking from. The key is to understand the one that “IS” that is referencing the Sixth, the kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s, they are the Sixth Kingdom on this earth

    Another error as it was Rome. It wasn’t the Kingdom of God.

    The Kingdom of God is the stone that strikes the statue and not the statue itself. The saints kingdom is not part of the statue or the beast that rose out of the sea.

    Come on Gene. Your end time eschatology is terrible.

    If I read any more of that post I will spend my evening correcting you.

    If Jodi reads that post she will be very disappointed in you. lol.

    #849065
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    Berean. Where are you. At least you are more sensible in your conclusions.

    What was your answer about Rome trampling the whole Earth?

    Rome never trampled China or South America.

    Please explain how this fits into your view.

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    Antichrist:
    Denying Jesus Christ is Come in the Flesh

    There are only 4 verses in scripture that actually use the word Antichrist:

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    2 John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
    2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
    I would like to focus initially on the last two passages, that give a special identifiable characteristic of Antichrist. Clearly, the spirit of Antichrist denies the incarnation of  Jesus Christ in the flesh. This seems initially to be fairly straightforward, but actually involves a subtlety that requires study and understanding to perceive the deception spoken of in 2 John 1:7. So, just what does “flesh” mean in those verses?

    Defining The “Flesh”

    Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
    Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
    Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
    Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
    Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
    Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
    Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    1 Cor 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
    1 Cor 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
    1 Cor 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
    Clearly, “flesh” can be interpreted as synonymous with being a sinner, or “carnal”, which is defined as lacking the Holy Spirit. Adam and Eve when they were created were in perfect harmony with God, and had a spiritual nature. When they sinned, they lost this spiritual nature, and became carnal sinners. Ever since the fall, the children of Adam and Eve and their descendents are born carnal, lacking the spiritual nature forfeited in the garden. So when John says that Christ is “come in the flesh”, he is actually saying that Christ was born by a sinner that had a carnal nature.

    Note what the following says about being carnal:

    Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
    Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
    Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
    Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
    Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
    To be carnal is to be sold under sin. So Jesus Christ had to born of a sinner to “come in the flesh”:

    Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
    Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. …
    Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
    Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
    Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
    Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
    Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
    Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
    All Have Sinned – Except Jesus Christ The Son Of God

    So Christ was born of a sinner, Mary, a descendant of Adam and Eve, and Abraham, and David, who herself needed redemption from sin, and this is something that she herself clearly recognized:

    Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
    Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
    Mary is no exception. As a sinner, she like the rest of us also needed a Saviour.

    1 Ki 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) …

    2 Chr 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) …

    Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

    Eccl 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

    Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
    Christ could only inherit the fallen nature of the children of Adam and Eve from his mother, because she was a sinner, yet scripture tells us that Christ was NOT a sinner, and never sinned:

    Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
    Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
    Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    2 Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
    The Last Adam (Jesus Christ) Was Made Spiritual

    Born of a sinner with a carnal nature, Jesus Christ knew no sin. How is that possible? How was His birth different from the rest of us?

    John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
    While Christ was indeed born of a sinner that lacked a spiritual nature, He was also born of the Holy Spirit:

    Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
    Though born of the flesh (of a sinner), scripture tells us that Jesus Christ had, before the incarnation, and from His conception, the spiritual nature that Adam and Eve had lost!

    1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first [Adam] which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that [last Adam] which is spiritual.
    1 Cor 15:47 The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy: the second man [Jesus Christ] is the Lord from heaven.
    So a prominent characteristic of Antichrist is a denial that Jesus Christ “came in the flesh”, which is to say a denial that He was born of a sinner (Mary), who herself could only pass on a carnal human nature.
    Roman Catholicism Dogmatically Decrees That Mary Was Sinless

    Note the following papal decree:

    We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.

    Hence, if anyone shall dare — which God forbid! — to think otherwise than as has been defined by us, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment; that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith; that he has separated from the unity of the Church; and that, furthermore, by his own action he incurs the penalties established by law if he should dare to express in words or writing or by any other outward means the errors he think in his heart. …

    Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. …

    Source:   Ineffabilis Deus, Apostolic Constitution of Pope Pius IX on the Immaculate Conception (December 8, 1854)
    The decree of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, that Mary was sinless from her conception in her mother’s womb, is considered to be an ex cathedra teaching, from Peter’s Chair, an infallible article of faith binding on all Roman Catholics. Shortly after the dogmatic declaration of Pius IX, an alleged apparition repeatedly appeared to a young girl, Bernadette Soubirous, at Lourdes, France. The apparition identified herself as the “Immaculate Conception.”  John warns us to try the spirits:

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    The apparition at Lourdes fails the test, by claiming to be the “Immaculate Conception.” Catholics are also taught that Mary never sinned her entire life:

    411 … Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ’s victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.306

    306 Cf. Pius IXs Ineffabilis Deus: DS 2803; Council of Trent: DS 1573 [  Sixth Session, Canon XXIII on Justification].

    Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation copyright 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.–Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 104.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church, online at the Vatican.
    Catholics also teach that Jesus Christ inherited His sinless immaculate nature from His mother Mary:

    … I admit we [Catholics] speak glowingly of Mary (who doesn’t love and speak well of their mother?), but in this context I was being the prosaic, theological one. I wasn’t using poetic, superlative language about the Blessed Virgin. I was simply laying out the logic: Jesus was the sinless Son of God. He took his sinless human nature from his mother. For that human nature to be really human and really sinless its human source must have been uniquely pure. This seems to be a simple, logical, and modest claim.

    Source:   Mary: A Catholic / Evangelical Debate, By Dwight Longenecker, David Gustafson, Gracewing Publishing, 2003, ISBN 0852445822, pg. 55.

    … So much is Mary’s very being full of grace that this title [Immaculate Conception] serves to identify Mary in place of her own name. It is also true that no person with a fallen nature could possess a fullness of grace, a plentitude of grace, appropriate only for the woman who was to give God the Son an identical, immaculate human nature. Mary was conceived in providence to be the woman who would give her same immaculate nature to God when God became man. Certainly we can see the fittingness in God receiving a human nature from a human mother, and receiving an immaculate nature from a truly immaculate mother.

    Source:   The Four Marian Dogmas, By Mark Miravalle, Mother of all Peoples web site, Friday, 06 January 2006, excerpted from Introduction to Mary: The Heart of Marian Doctrine and Devotion, Queenship Publishing, 1993, ISBN 1-882972-06-6, pg. 39.

    … we affirm that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Word of God, who in His divine nature is from all eternity begotten of the Father, consubstantial with Him, was in the fullness of time again begotten, by be born of the Virgin, thus taking to Himself, from her maternal womb, a human nature of the same substance with hers.

    Source   The Faith Of Our Fathers by James Cardinal Gibbons, 38th edition, 1891 by John Murphy & Company, Baltimore, R. Washbourne, London, page 198.

    The same quote of Cardinal Gibbons appears in   The Faith of Millions, by the Reverend John A. O’Brien, PH.D, copyright by John A. O’Brien 1938, published by Our Sunday Visitor, 1974, Huntington, Indiana, page 366.

    Mary Declared The Mediatrix Of Salvation
    Where does this alleged sinless immaculate nature of Mary ultimately lead in Roman Catholic Church teaching?

    969 … “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation …. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

    510 Dogmatic Constitution On The Church,   Lumen Gentium, promulgated by Pope Paul VI, Nov. 21, 1964, section #62.

    Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation copyright 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.–Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 252.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church, online at the Vatican.
    See also:
    Salvation is obtained from… Mary?

    Movement to declare Mary Co-redemptrix underway!

    Worship of the Virgin Mary

    Mary the Divine Mother and Omnipotent Intercessor?
    Mary has been elevated in Roman Catholic teaching to a Mediatrix of Salvation, interposing her between Christ and mankind, when scripture tells us there is but one mediator:

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Heb 8:6 But now hath he [Jesus] obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

    Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
    Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
    Taking The Place Of Christ On Earth

    In addition, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Pope, titled Vicarius Christi (which is synonymous with the word Antichrist), takes the place of Jesus Christ on Earth:

    … We [the pope] hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, …

    Source: Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter   Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), dated June 20, 1894, trans. in The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII (New York: Benziger, 1903), paragraph 5, page 304.
    Another authentic papal title is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God), which equals 666 (Rev. 13:18) when the Roman numeral value of the letters are added up. It has a long documented history of use by the Roman Catholic Church, and was used most recently by Pope Paul VI in two Apostolic Constitutions, which are the highest form of official Papal decree in the Roman Catholic Church. For the details see:   666, The Number of the Beast.

    Ask a Catholic a question about the Holy Father, and they will likely think you are talking about the Pope, yet this title is used only one time in all of scripture (John 17:11), and it refers not to any man, but to God the Father. The application of this title to anyone but God is a blasphemous antichrist usurpation.

    It is also a papal teaching that not just the Pope, but every Catholic priest is, in fact, another Christ:

    12. … Thus the priest, as is said with good reason, is indeed “another Christ”; for, in some way, he is himself a continuation of Christ. …

    Source: Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Letter   AD CATHOLICI SACERDOTII (On the Catholic Priesthood), promulgated on 20 December 1935.
    Conclusion

    By denying Mary was a sinner in need of a redeemer, Roman Catholicism denies Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, and this is the deceptive teaching and spirit of antichrist that John spoke of:

    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    And by teaching that the Catholic priest is “another Christ” and that Mary is a Mediatrix, Advocate, and Co-redemptrix, placing her between God and mankind and dispenser of all grace, the Roman Catholic Church fits this characteristic identified by John:

    1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

    The above article is offered in response to Hugo Mendez’s blog item The Papacy as “the Antichrist” where he asserts there is no biblical basis for applying the term antichrist to the papacy. It is also a rebuttal of HERESIES EXPOSED, Indictment #3 – Christ’s Humanity, at Bible Believers Resource Page.

    See also:

    The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
    What Does The Word VATICAN Mean?
    The Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast.

     

    #849071
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……please show us one “religious” world rulling kingdom  there is none, it’s you who haven’t a clue what you are talking about.

    Rev 17:9….here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, (risings) on which the women sits. And there are seven kings: (G935 through the notion of a foundation of powers)  five are fallen one “IS” “this dates the time of this prophesy,   (which is the sixth kingdom, of Jesus christ and the Saint’s) , and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space. And when he come he must continue a short space (3 1/2 years) and the beast that was (Satan) and is not, even he is the eight, and is of the seven, and goes into Predition.

    The reason Satan was not at the time of the prophesy was he was cast into the bottomless pit at the beginning of the Sixth kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saints.  

    T8,  you are simply another false prophet and haven’t a clue WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT ON THIS SUBJECT.  Show me one place where what I have said is wrong.

    It is people like you that are causing people to be taken by suprise at the return of Jesus. The return of Jesus is a “world ruling government” not a religious event taking place in a small part of this earth, it is completely spelled out in Luke 21:25-28.  The return of Jesus is a Celestial event effecting all people of the entire planet.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

    #849084
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Pay attention Gene.

    1. Antichrists deny the Father and the Son which is a major tenet of Islam. Here is a quote from the koran: “Far be it from God that he should have a son!”
    2. After Rome, a seventh empire would arise that would also birth an eighth. The Beast is said to receive a deadly wound and then come back to life. Are we seeing the rise of an Islamic Empire in our future? That is the question.
    3. Just as previous empires were conquered by the next Beast head, so history shows us that this Antichrist conquered Rome as well as the Middle East and much of Europe. The area around the Great Sea.
    4. The two legs of iron became mixed with clay at the feet. The word mixed in Arabic is “arab” because they are a mixed people. It is said they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay. The Arabs took over the Roman Empire but did not mix or blend with the Romans.
    5. Pergamum is where Satan dwells according to Revelation, the location is Turkey, where the Roman Empire and Ottoman Empire had their capital.
    6. they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

      The word ‘worship’ has a number of associated meanings with one being ‘prostrate‘ which means ‘lying on the ground with one’s face downward’. A perfect description of those who worship Allah don’t you think? Also bear in mind that the heads of the Beast or kingdoms that have made up the Beast in history cover an area of the world that is predominantly Muslim. So the majority of the Biblical world today which is also where the Beast resides,  actually belongs to Islam. They deny outright that Jesus is the son of God which by biblical definition is how the Antichrist spirit reveals itself. They worship Allah five times a day and prostrate themselves before Allah.

    Now I have never said that the Beast to come after the one that was had to be a religion. Where did I say that? What I said is when you analyse the Ottoman Empire it ticks all the boxes. They worship a God daily by prostrating themselves before the dragon and Beast and the God they worship has no son? Does Satan have a son? Does YHWH have a son? You get the idea.

    Of course I know you will reject this because you want America to be the Beast. So what does that make Trump?

    #849085
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Luke 21:25-28.  The return of Jesus is a Celestial event effecting all people of the entire planet.

    Another straw man argument. Never said that. Remember the commandment about bearing false witness.

    #849100
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……you couldn’t be more wrong even if you tried.  All the seccessive kingdoms from Neburchnasser the first, to this present day were made up of humdreds of different religion.  And still are, we are talking about world rulling powers, not religions .  We are in the fifth world rulling KINGDOM MENTIONED IN Daniel, Just look at they way this world actually is, very powerful nations scattered around the complete world, mixed with different seed of men, just as Daniel said the fifth world kingdom would be. Like I said it is not about religion it’s about power militarily and government influences that dominate the whole world.

    Go back and reread what I wrote about Rev 17 and how it fits the prophesy of Daniel.

    Not following what you mentioned by a straw mans argument, I was simply quoting what the Lord Jesus said would happen at his return.

    Peaceand love to you and yours. ………..gene.

     

    #849102
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……when Revelations 18, describes Babylon it describes it as a system of economics ruled by the buy and sell for Gain, this was existing when it began with Neburchnasser and that form of economic exists even today. GOD’S people are in it because you simply can’t live and prosper without being part of it.  This present system of the Babyloian System is based on the buy and sell for gain, not on Faith and trust in God for prosperity , it operates exactly as Rev 18 says.  It’s a corrupt form of usery mm which is causing all this world problems.

    GOD TELLS US TO “COME OUT OF HER, SO WE WILL NOT RECEIVE OF HER PLEAGUES”.

    This could also be the “mark of the beast”.  because it identifies what the beast system is. The mark “could” be how much we are participating in it. Notice it mentions our foreheads   “our minds where our thinking is”  and our hands “what we work with”. 

    Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

    #849259
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, you are not arguing against me but your own misunderstanding.

    they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

    I am simply saying that they worship the dragon, we know who the dragon is, and he doesn’t have a son. Of course we know adherents to Islam worship a God that has no son because they believe the real God has no son.

    If you can’t grasp that then you are not equipped to participate in this discussion. I would appreciate it if you could up your game rather than always erring in understanding. Best to remain silent if the latter because you are just wasting other people’s time.

    Finally, I have found very little difference with your beliefs on Jesus with Islam’s view of Jesus. Just a man who was a prophet you both say.

    #849269
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…….so now you accuse me of being an Moslim? ,  that only goes to show how really ignorant yo u really are. LOL.  As far as Jesus being a Prophet goes,  “the LORD shall raise up unto you a prophet like  me, unto him shall you heed’. THOSE ARN’T (MY WORDS).

    No one here is more of a false prophet here then you are T8,  you simply haven’t a clue what your talking about.  The antichrist is not about a single person, it’s a false teaching like what you teach about concerning the preexistence of Jesus.

    What I have written about Rev 17,  is exactly right,  if you don’t timedate what John saw and wrote to the Sixth  kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s,  you don’t have the wisdom mentioned just before it was given.  But if you understand it, then everything falls right into place.

    He that has ears let him hear.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

     

    #849308
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi

    Day-year principle

    The day-year principle, year-day principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time. It is used principally by the historicist school of prophetic interpretation.[1] It is held by the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and the Christadelphians.[2] The day-year principle is also used by the Bahá’í Faith, as well as in astrological prediction techniques, otherwise known as “primary directions”.

    Biblical basisEdit
    Proponents of the principle, such as the Seventh-day Adventists, claim that it has three primary precedents in Scripture:[3]

    Numbers 14:34. The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan.
    Ezekiel 4:5-6. The prophet Ezekiel is commanded to lie on his left side for 390 days, followed by his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the equivalent number of years of punishment on Israel and Judah respectively.
    Daniel 9:24-27. This is known as the Prophecy of Seventy Weeks. The majority of scholars do understand the passage to refer to 70 “sevens” or “septets” of years—that is, a total of 490 years.
    While not listed as primary precedent by the proponents, a direct reference to the day for a year concept is established in Genesis.

    Genesis 29:27. Laban requires an additional seven years of work in contract for Rachels hand in marriage, calling it a week.
    Jon Paulien has defended the principle from a systematic theology perspective, not strictly just from the Bible.[4]

    History

    Christian historicist applicationEdit
    490 year prophecyEdit
    Daniel 9 contains the Prophecy of Seventy Weeks. Biblical Scholars have interpreted the 70 weeks vision in the Historistical methodology for nearly two millennia as illustrated in the following table.

    List of Historicist Biblical Expositors who commented on the 70 weeks
    from the 3rd to 19th centuries
    List of Biblical Expositors of the Early Church Period: 100-457 AD[16]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    Tertullian
    c. 240
    From Persia
    To Christ
    70th week
    Clement of Alexandria
    c. 220
    To Advent

    During
    Hippolytus
    d. 236
    490 yrs
    Separated

    Sextus Julius Africanus
    c. 240
    490 yrs
    To Christ

    Eusebius Pamphili
    c. 340
    490 yrs
    To Christ
    Midst
    Athanasius
    373
    To Cross

    Cyril of Jerusalem
    386
    Wks. of Yrs.

    Polychronis
    430
    490 yrs
    7 yrs
    midst
    Jerome
    420
    490 yrs

    Theodoret
    457
    490 yrs

    Biblical Expositors of the Early Medieval Period: 400-1200 AD[17]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    Augustine
    d. 430
    to Cross

    Sargis d’Aberga
    7th century
    69 wks to Christ

    Venerable Bede
    d. 735
    457 solar yrs
    Bap. midst
    at end
    Saadia
    d. 942
    490 yrs from exile

    Jehoram
    10th century
    Years

    Yefet ben Ali
    10th century
    Sabbatical Yrs to Titus

    Rashi
    d. 1105
    490 yrs

    Abraham bar Hiyya
    d. 1136
    Wks of Sabbatical yrs.

    Abraham ibn Ezra
    d. 1167
    490 yrs

    Thomas Aquinas
    d. 1274
    475 Solar yrs

    At End
    Arnold of Villanova
    1292
    Yrs to Christ
    Fall of Jerusalem

    Pierre Jen d’Olivi
    d. 1298
    Wks. of Yrs.

    Biblical Expositors of the Reformation Era: 1522-1614 AD[18]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    Martin Luther
    1522
    Yrs. (2d Darius)
    34-41 AD
    Begin
    Philipp Melanchthon
    1543
    Yrs. (2dn Artax.)

    Midst
    Johann Funck
    1558
    457 BC – 34 AD
    to 34
    End
    Nikolaus Selnecker
    1579
    Yrs. (2d Artax)

    Georg Nigrinus
    1570
    456 BC – 34 AD

    End
    Johann Oecolampadius
    1530
    Years
    Long Period

    Heinrich Bullinger
    1557
    457 BC to 34 AD
    to 34 AD
    End
    George Joye
    1545
    Cyrus, yrs

    John Napier
    1593
    490 yrs

    Biblical Expositors of the Post-Reformation Era—Europe: 1600-1800 AD[19]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    Joseph Mede
    1631
    417 BC – 74 AD

    (33) AD
    Henry More
    1664
    490 yrs

    John Tillinghast
    1655
    Ends 34 AD

    34 AD
    William Sherwin
    1670
    490 yrs

    Thomas Beverly
    1684
    Yrs to Christ

    Johannes Cocceius
    1701
    490 yrs.

    (33) AD
    Robert Fleming Jr.
    1701
    490 yrs.

    Sir Isaac Newton
    1727
    457 BC – 34 AD

    34 AD
    William Lowth
    1700
    Years

    William Whiston
    1706
    445 BC – 32+ AD

    33 AD
    Heinrich Horch
    1712
    490 yrs

    Midst
    Berienberg Bible
    1743
    Yrs. to Christ

    Midst
    Johann Al Bengal
    1740
    Yrs to Christ

    Midst
    Johann Ph. Petri
    1768
    453 BC to 37 AD

    Midst
    Hans Wood
    1787
    420 BC – 70 AD

    Christian G. Thube
    1789
    – 37 AD

    30 AD
    Biblical Expositors of the Post-Reformation Era—America: 1600-1800 AD[20]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    Eph. Huit
    1644
    490 yrs

    Thomas Parker
    1646
    490 yrs

    John Davenport
    1653
    Yrs to Christ

    William Burnet
    1724
    490 yrs

    Joshua Bellamy
    1758
    490 yrs

    Aaron Burr
    1757
    490 yrs

    Samuel Langdon
    1774
    490 yrs

    Samuel Gatchet
    1781
    490 yrs

    Samuel Osgood
    1794
    490 (Art.)

    Biblical expositors of the 19th-century Advent Awakening: 1800-1845 AD[21]
    Name
    Date
    70 Weeks
    Last Week
    Cross
    William Hales
    1803

    27/31/34 AD

    George Stanley Faber
    1804
    458 BC –

    Thomas Scott
    1805
    7th yr of Artax.

    Adam Clarke
    1810
    7th yr of Artax.

    W. C. Davis
    1818
    453 BC – 37 AD

    Arch. Mason
    1820
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Jno A. Brown
    1823
    457 BC – 34 AD

    Jno. Bayford
    1820
    Years

    Lewis Way
    1818
    Years

    Henry Drummond
    1830
    To 1st Advent

    John Fry
    1822
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Thomas White
    1828
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Edward Cooper
    1825
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Thomas Keyworth
    1828
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Alfred Addis
    1829
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Jno. Hooper
    1829
    490 yrs

    William W. Pym
    1829
    453 BC – 37 AD

    Edward N. Hoare
    1830
    457 BC – 33 AD

    William Digby
    1831
    457 Bc – 33 AD

    Bp Dave Wilson
    1836
    453 BC – 37 AD

    Alex Keith
    1828
    7th of Artax

    Cross
    John Cog
    1832
    Years

    Matt Habershon
    1834
    457 BC – 33 AD

    Ed Bickersteih
    1836
    457 BC – 34 AD

    Louis Gaussen
    1837
    457 BC – 34 AD

    The vision of the 70 weeks is interpreted as dealing with the Jewish nation from about the middle of the 5th century BCE until not long after the death of Jesus in the 1st century CE and so is not concerned with current or future history. Historicists consider Antiochus Epiphanies irrelevant to the fulfillment of the prophecy.

    Historicist interpretation of the Prophecy of Seventy Weeks was a that it foretells with great specificity information about Jesus as the Messiah, not some lowlevel official or antichrist figure.[22] Daniel 9:25 states that the ‘seventy weeks’ (generally interpreted as 490 years[23] according to the day-year principle) [24][25] is to begin “from the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem,” which is when the Persian king Artaxerxes I, gave the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Ezra, so the 490 years point to the time of Christ’s anointing.

    How Seventh-day Adventists see the beginning (top) and ending (bottom) of the seventy weeks timeline.
    In the 21st century this interpretation (emphasized by the 19th-century Millerite movement) is still held by Seventh-day Adventists[26] and other groups.

    Seventh-day AdventistsEdit
    The Seventh-day Adventist interpretation of Daniel chapter 9 presents the 490 years as an uninterrupted period. Like others before them they equate the beginning of the 70 weeks “from the time the word goes out to rebuild and restore Jerusalem,” of Daniel 9:25[27] with the decree by Artaxerxes I in 458/7 BCE which provided money for rebuilding the temple and Jerusalem and allowed for restoration of a Jewish administration.[28] It ends 3½ years after the crucifixion.[29] The appearance of “Messiah the Prince” at the end of the 69 weeks (483 years)[27] is aligned with Jesus’ baptism in 27 CE, in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. The ‘cutting off’ of the “anointed one”[27] refers to the crucifixion 3½ years after the end of the 483 years, bringing “atonement for iniquity” and “everlasting righteousness”.[30] Jesus is said to ‘confirm’ the “covenant”[31] between God and mankind by his death on the cross in the Spring (about Easter time) of 31 CE “in the midst of”[31] the last seven years. At the moment of his death the 4 inch (10 cm) thick curtain between the Holy and Most Holy Places in the Temple ripped from top to bottom,[32][33][34] marking the end of the Temple’s sacrificial system. The last week ends 3½ years after the crucifixion (i.e., in 34 CE) when the gospel was redirected from only the Jews to all peoples.

    Some of the representative voices among exegetes of the last 150 years are E. W. Hengstenberg,[35] J. N. Andrews,[36] E. B. Pusey,[37] J. Raska,[38] J. Hontheim,[39] Boutflower,[40] Uriah Smith,[41] and O. Gerhardt.[42]

    Illustrations explaining the beginning and ending dates of the 70 weeks
    according to Historicist interpretation
    Beginning of the 70 Weeks: King’s reigns were counted from New Year to New Year following an ‘Accession Year’. The Persian New Year began in Nisan (March–April). The Jewish civil New Year began in Tishri (September–October)
    Ending of the 70 Weeks: Tiberius Caesar began ruling in the Fall of 13 CE. So,his 15th year began in the Fall of 27, the year of the baptism of Jesus. This is 69 weeks (i.e. 483 years) after 457 BCE.
    To understand 70-week prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, one has to use the key.[43] The Prophecy of Seventy Weeks becomes clear, as pointing to the messiah using the prophetic day-year principle.[44] Using this, the 69 weeks, or the 483 years of Daniel 9, culminates in A.D. 27. Now “unto Messiah the Prince” makes sense and indicates the time for the coming of the “anointed one” or Messiah, with the final week during His ministry. It is not the time of the Messiah’s birth but when He would appear as the Messiah, and this is right when Christ took up His ministry after being baptized. Thus the prophetic day-year principle correctly points to the anointed as the Messiah in A.D. 27 or the fifteenth year of Tiberius, not in the future or modern time. While there are other possible ways of reckoning, the beginning point of 457 B.C. as the starting point of the 70-week prophecy as the Messianic prophecies points to Jesus as the Messiah.[45]

    The seven and sixty-two-week periods are most frequently understood as consecutive, non-overlapping chronological periods that are more or less exact in terminating with the time at which Christ is anointed with the Holy Spirit at his baptism,[46][47] with the terminus a quo of this 483-year period being the time associated with the decree given to Ezra by Artaxerxes I in 458/7 BCE.[48][46] The reference to an anointed one being “cut off” in verse 26a is identified with the death of Christ and has traditionally been thought to mark the midpoint of the seventieth week,[46] which is also when Jeremiah’s new “covenant” is “confirmed” (verse 27a) and atonement for “iniquity” (verse 24) is made.

    1260 year prophecyEdit
    Historicist interpreters have usually understood the “time, times and half a time” (i.e. 1+2+0.5=3.5), “1,260 days” and “42 months” mentioned in Daniel and Revelation to be references to represent a period of 1260 years (based on the 360 day Jewish year multiplied by 3.5).[49] However, at no point in history was the Jewish year ever 360 days. The Babylonians on the other hand preferred a 360-day cycle.

    These time periods occur eight times in scripture:

    Daniel 7:25, “time, times and a half”.
    Daniel 9:27, “half one set of seven”.
    Daniel 12:7, “time, times and a half”.
    Revelation 11:2, “42 months”.
    Revelation 11:3, “1260 days”.
    Revelation 12:6, “1260 days”.
    Revelation 12:14, “time, times and a half”.
    Revelation 13:5, “42 months”.
    Historicists usually believe the “1,260 days” spanned the Middle Ages and concluded within the early modern or modern era. Although many dates have been proposed for the start and finish of the “1,260 days”, certain time spans have proven to be more popular than others. The majority of historicists throughout history have identified the “1,260 days” as being fulfilled by one or more of the following time spans[50] and identify the Papal Office as the Antichrist and culmination of the Great Apostasy:

    312 AD to 1572: Battle of the Milvian Bridge/Vision of Constantine to St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre[citation needed]
    606 AD to 1866[51]
    538 AD to 1798: Siege of Rome to Napoleon’s Roman Republic.[52]
    756 AD to 2016 Donation of Pepin to (presumed) fall of Papacy.:[53]
    774 AD to 2034 Charlemagne overthrows last Lombard King.[54]
    800 AD to 2060 Charlemagne is crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope.[55]
    Seventh-Day Adventist interpretationEdit
    Timeline of “time, times and half a time”, 1260 days or 42 month prophecy in historicist Seventh-day Adventism.
    The Millerites, like the earlier Bible students of the Reformation and post-Reformation eras, and the Seventh-day Adventists, [56] understand the 1260 days as lasting AD 538 to 1798 as the (supposed) duration of the papacy over Rome.[57][58] This period supposedly began with the defeat of the Ostrogoths by the general Belisarius and ended with the successes of French general Napoleon Bonaparte, specifically, the capture of Pope Pius VI by general Louis Alexandre Berthier in 1798.

    Other viewsEdit
    Robert Fleming writing in 1701 (The Rise and Fall of Rome Papal) stated that the 1260-year period should commence with Pope Paul I becoming a temporal ruler in AD 758 which would expire in 2018 by counting Julian years, or the year 2000 if counting prophetic (360 day) years.[59]

    756 to 2016Edit
    British Theologian Adam Clarke writing in 1825 stated that the 1260-year period should commence with 755 AD, the actual year Pepin the Short invaded Lombard territory, resulting in the Pope’s elevation from a subject of the Byzantine Empire to an independent head of state. The Donation of Pepin, which first occurred in 754 and again in 756 gave to the Pope temporal power over the Papal States. However, his introductory comments on Daniel 7 added 756 as an alternative commencement date.[60] In April of that year, Pepin, accompanied by Pope Stephen II entered northern Italy from France, forcing the Lombard King Aistulf to lift his siege of Rome, and return to Pavia. Following Aistulf’s capitulation, Pepin remained in Italy until finalizing his Donations. Based on this, 19th century commentators anticipate the end of the Papacy in 2016:

    “As the date of the prevalence and reign of antichrist must, according to the principles here laid down, be fixed at A.D. 756, therefore the end of this period of his reign must be A.D. 756 added to 1260; equal to 2016, the year of the Christian era set by infinite wisdom for this long-prayed-for event. Amen and amen!”[61][62]
    Of the five areas of the Bible which mention this timeline,[63] only Revelation 11:9-12 adds a brief 3½ more years to the end of this 1260-year period.[64] If added to 2016, this would bring us to autumn of 2019 or spring of 2020 for the commencement of the Eternal Kingdom.[65] However, far more attention is paid by historicists to 2016 as the final end of the Papacy and the commencement of the Millennial rule than there is to 2019.[66] This may be due in part, to uncertainty as to who or what the two witnesses of the Book of Revelation represent. But for those 17th to 19th century historicists adhering to the day year principle who also predicted a literal restoration of the unconverted Jews in their original homeland,[67] the fall of the Papacy immediately precedes the rapid conversion of the Jews.[68] The two events are closely linked, with the former enabling the latter.[69]

    The year 756 AD is also thought to occur 666 years from John’s writing of the Book of Revelation.[70] The verse in Daniel 8:25 which reads “…but he shall be broken without hand” is usually understood to mean that the destruction of the “little horn” or Papacy with not be caused by any human action.[71] Volcanic activity is described as the means by which Rome will be overthrown.[72] The following excerpt is from the 5th edition (1808) of the Rev. David Simpson’s book “A Plea for Religion and the Sacred Writings”:

    “Antichrist will retain some part of his dominion over the nations till about the year 2016.” “And when the 1260 years are expired, Rome itself, with all its magnificence, will be absorbed in a lake of fire, sink into the sea, and rise no more at all for ever*.”[73]
    Though the end of the 1260 years will be marked by dramatic events, it will not instantly remove all the governments of the world. The Messianic Kingdom will be established in place of the former Roman Empire, and continue to expand until it has enveloped the remaining countries. The following is an excerpt from “the Covenanter”, a Reformed Presbyterian publication (1857):

    “The end of the 1260 years will not at once usher in the brightness of the Millennial day. It will be marked by some occurrence, by some grand movement of Providence—such as the violent, it may be, and sudden crushing of the Papal power, and that of the corrupt and oppressive monarchies of the Old World, and of the governments similar to them in spirit, if not in form, in the New-— by some event in the pagan world, in which a new era will take its rise: new and signally successful efforts for the conversion of the Jews—for the evangelization of the nations-—for the subjecting of the “kingdoms of this world” to the law and government of “the Lord and of his Christ.” A generation may pass, or more than one, before this work will be fully completed; but it will advance with large strides.”[74]
    While Daniel 2:35 makes reference to the various world powers (represented as various metals) being “broken to pieces together”, the previous verse (v.34) portrays the Eternal Kingdom coming as “a stone cut from a mountain without hands” and striking a statue (symbolizing the successive world empires) on its feet first. Most adherents of the day-year principle, interpret these feet “that were of iron and clay,” as denoting the nations descended from and occupying areas of the former Roman Empire.[75][76] The dominions of all the empires and nations are expected to be crushed simultaneously, but the end of “life” or existence of the Roman derived countries will precede that of the other nations of the world.[77][78]

    The length of time for this worldwide expansion to complete is indicated in Daniel 7:12, which adds “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.” Henry Folbigg (1869) elaborated on this verse:

    It is here predicted that after the destruction of the papal beast, “the rest of the beasts,” by which I understand the Pagan, Mahometan, Hindoo, Chinese, and other empires, “ will have their dominion taken away,” that is, they will gradually lose their dominion, perhaps be conquered and lose their heathen rulers— “ but their lives ”—the existence of various corrupt “and unchristian principles, “ will be prolonged for a season and a time,” which, if intended to be taken in the usual prophetic and symbolic sense would indicate a period of 450 years. This would extend far into the Millennium, and therefore although we may and should look for, and hasten the coming of great and beneficial changes, we are not to expect universal civilization in a day, nor the conversion of the world in a year—but rather the gradual yet more rapid spread of the gospel and the spiritual reign of Christ and his saints—of Christ and his Church for 1,000 years.[79]
    Prior to Adam Clarke (Methodist), Jonathan Edwards, an Evangelical Reformed (Congregational) theologian commented on the views of his more well-known predecessors and contemporaries, and wrote that Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Fleming (Presbyterian), Moses Lowman (Presbyterian), Phillip Doddridge (Congregational), and Bishop Thomas Newton (Anglican), were in agreement that the 1,260 timeline should be calculated from the year 756 AD.[80]

    F.A. Cox (Congregationalist) confirmed that this was the view of Sir Isaac Newton and others, including himself:

    “The author adopts the hypothesis of Fleming, Sir Isaac Newton, and Lowman, that the 1260 years commenced in A.d. 756; and consequently that the millennium will not begin till the year 2016.”[81]
    Thomas Williams also acknowledged that this was the predominant view among the leading Protestant theologians of his time:

    “Mr. Lowman, though an earlier commentator, is (we believe) far more generally followed ; and he commences the 1260 days from about 756, when, bv aid of Pepin, King of France, the Pope obtained considerable temporalities. This carries on the reign of Popery to 2016, or sixteen years into the commencement of the Millennium, as it is generally reckoned.”[82]
    The timeline was also printed in other denominational publications including Lutheran,[83] Reformed,[84] Baptist,[85] Unitarian (Socinian),[86] and in countries with sizeable Protestant populations such as the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Netherlands and the United States.[87]

    Catholicon, a monthly Catholic publication, implied (1816) that this timeline was more accurate than the other predictions of the time:

    “Lowman, who allowing the greatest latitude, comes in our opinion nearest to the truth, to the distant year 2016.”[88]
    In 1870 the newly formed Kingdom of Italy annexed the remaining Papal States, depriving the Pope of his temporal rule. Unaware that Papal rule would be restored, (albeit on a greatly diminished scale) in 1929 as head of the Vatican City state, the historicist view that the Papacy is the Antichrist rapidly declined in popularity as one of the defining characteristics of the Antichrist (i.e. that he would also be a political temporal power at the time of the return of Jesus) was no longer met.

    In spite of its one time predominance, the 2016 prediction was largely forgotten and no major Protestant denomination currently subscribes to this timeline.

    2300 year prophecyEdit
    Beginning of the 70 Weeks: The decree of Araxerses in the 7th year of his reign (457 BC) as recorded in Ezra marks beginning of 70 weeks. King reigns were counted from New Year to New Year following an ‘Accession Year’. The Persian New Year began in Nisan (March–April). The Jewish civil New Year began in Tishri (September–October).
    Seventh-day Adventist interpretation of the 2300-day prophecy time line and its relation to the 70-week prophecy
    The distinctly Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of the divine investigative judgment beginning in 1844, based on the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14, relies on the day-year principle. The 2300 days are understood to represent 2300 years stretching from 457 BC, the calculated starting date of the 70 weeks prophecy based on the 3rd decree found in Ezra, to 1844.[89][90]

    The prophecy of 2300 days in Verse 14 plays an important role in Seventh-day Adventist eschatology. The Seventh-day Adventist Church traces its origins to the William Miller, who predicted that the second coming of Jesus would occur in 1844 by assuming that the cleansing of the Sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 meant the destruction of the earth, and applying the day-year principle.

    The prophetic time always uses the day-year principle, thus “2300 days” was understood to be 2300 years. Starting at the same time as the Prophecy of Seventy Weeks found in Chapter 9, on the grounds that the 70 weeks were “decreed” (actually “cut off”) for the Jewish people from the 2300-day prophecy. This beginning year is calculated to be 457 BC (see details here), then the end of the 2300 years would have been in 1844.

    Although the Millerites originally thought that 1844 represented the end of the world, those who later became Seventh-day Adventist reached the conclusion that 1844 marked the beginning of a divine pre-advent judgment called “the cleansing of the sanctuary”. It is intimately related to the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and was described by the church’s prophet and pioneer Ellen G. White as one of the pillars of Adventist belief.[91][92]

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    #849372
    Berean
    Participant

    The first beast has already lived exactly 1,260 years (Rev.13:5.9).
    according to the prophetic principle
    that one day = 1 year

    It is exactly the time of papal supremacy: 538 AD -1798 AD
    And there was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies; and power was given to him to continue for forty-two months.

    13:6 And she opened her mouth to speak blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    13:7 And it was given her to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given unto him over every tribe, and over every people, and over every tongue, and over every nation.

    13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names were not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain.

    13:9 If any man have ears, let him hear.

    If you continue to believe too literally in prophetic times, you will not be able to understand all the prophecy.

    Please review this point
    It’ll change your life.

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

    #849378
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all……if anyone wants the truth about the return of Jesus christ and the Risings of the Babyloian type of World rulling governments go and read what I have written concerning Rev 17…, its all there,  Don’t let yourselves be caught unaware by listing to all theses false prophets.

    Peace and love to you all and yours…………gene

    #849379
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi

    Day-year principle

    Hi Berean,

    “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
    Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (on the Temple Mount),
    (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea
    flee into the mountains (Nations):” (Matthew 24:15-16)

    The “Abomination of Desolation” (dome of the rock mosque) was set up in 688ad.

    “And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness (Mountains/Nations),
    where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there
    a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Revelation 12:6)

    688ad + 1,260 day/years = 1948 … Israel is once again born as a Nation

    “Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?
    for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth,
    and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD:” (Isaiah 66:8-9)

    #849380
    Ed J
    Participant

    (1 John 5:9/2Peter 1:19) “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater”
    “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed”

    #849381
    Ed J
    Participant

    The dome of the Rock mosque is exactly 666 nautical-miles from the kaaba in Mecca

    #849382
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks for those post Ed J.

    I noticed only Gene had posted so didn’t want to waste my time reading what is likely to be a load of rubbish. But like reading your posts except when you do the number thing too much.

    #849383
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…..waste of time is exactly what those listing  to your false teachings  are doing here.  ISLAM HAS NOTHING  TO DO WITH HOW THE WORLD FUNCTIONS,  We are and have been in the BADLOYIAN TYPE OF WORLD RULING SYSTEMS , SENSE IT BEGAN AT THE TIME OF THE BABYLOIAN KINGDOM . IT HAS NEVER STOPPED TO EXIST AND WILL NOT UNTIL IT IS DESTROYED AT THE RETURN OF Jesus christ, and then it will be crushed and remain that way until the end of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s,  and then the deadly wound will be heald for a short time 3 1/2 years just as REV 17  SHOWS.  Your islam,  “religious” Babyloian false teaching ignore the economic   description given us in Revelations ,  Babyloian is about world ruling  powers under a type of World economy,  nothing to do with religion. The Unied States and it’s allies rule in this present BABYLOIAN SYSTEM OF RULE.   IT’S ALL ABOUT HOW THE WORLD ECONOMY WORKS, WE CAN PUT SANTIONS ON COUNTRIES AND BRING THEM TO THERE KNEES. There is no country more into the Babyloian type rule the we are,  why do you think it say “come out of her “MY PEOPLE” ,  IS IT NOT BECAUSE WE  ARE IN IT? 

    AGAIN IT NOT ABOUT RELIGION, IT’S ABOUT HOW THE WORLD IS RULLED. THINK ABOUT IT FOR A CHANGE.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

     

    #849384
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj…..please notice the abomination of deselation is mentioned in just two of the Gospels, Matthew and Mark,  but not mentioned in Luke or John, have you ever though why?,  because the GOSPELS of Matthew and Mark were written before the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem,  written around 10 AD, So the abonation of deselation hadn’t happened yet and is still mentioned in their Gospels,  but Luke and John was written “after” the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem,  so that is why,   they did not include it in their Gospels.

    The “abomination of deselation” took place in 70 AD.   It is not relevant any longer.

    Go back and reread what I wrote about REV 17  ,  It is correct,

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

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