Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Because YHWH calls himself “I am” in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
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Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
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Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
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Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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March 22, 2015 at 7:46 am#791331
DavidL
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NickHassan
slow down and think first…you’re babbling

first you misquote me saying
You asked if we could be one with God too.
No – this is the question I asked…’What other prophet, apostle or saint could ever say a thing like that..!? (I and the Father are one) …Could you say that..!?
March 22, 2015 at 8:29 am#791334
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
That is the plan of God.
All the saints will be able to say that when the plan is complete.
March 22, 2015 at 8:39 am#791347
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
God is not a three headed icon to be worshipped from afar.
He wants men to be reborn into the unity He has with His Son by the Spirit.

March 22, 2015 at 9:05 am#791349
DavidL
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NickHassan

..so you’re speaking of the future – Jesus spoke of the present…‘I and the Father are one,’ something no other person (no matter how righteous) has ever been able to truthfully say…because no one else (apart from the Holy Spirit) is one with God…
How did the greatest apostles refer to themselves – as ‘bondservants’ of Jesus Christ…so how can you just brush these verses aside…John declares He was God, Christ declares He is one with God, Paul states that the Godhead or Deity dwells within Him in bodily form, Thomas calls Him God to His face…yet somehow you claim this is wrong and unscriptural, even idolatry…!?!
How is the three headed icon you speak of connected to anything I’m saying – surely your understanding is darkened because of teaching you’ve been exposed to in the past (truth mixed with tradition)…so now you throw the baby out with the bathwater..
March 22, 2015 at 9:44 am#791354
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
From Pentecost God has fulfilled this promise joining men to himself and His Father in the One Spirit.
John made no such declaration.
Thomas was taught by Jesus in Jn 14
“”If you had known Me you would have known the Father also;from now on you know Him and have seen Him”
So when Thomas said in Jn 20
” My Lord AND my God” it showed he had understood.

March 22, 2015 at 10:18 am#791370
DavidL
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If you had known Me you would have known the Father
Yes, I and the Father ARE one…

We are not God – we are not Jesus…we are branches grafted into the Vine – if we TRULY abide in His Word..
March 22, 2015 at 10:35 am#791375
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Do you not aspire to unity with God and Jesus?
“..that they may be one as you and I are one..”
March 22, 2015 at 10:37 am#791376
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Indeed we should become branches of the vine but that is not our natural state-thorn bushes and weeds due for the fire.
Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God.
Then we must abide in the Words of eternal life-no trinity found taught there.

March 22, 2015 at 2:04 pm#791397
kerwin
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Nick,
Hi davidl,
From Pentecost God has fulfilled this promise joining men to himself and His Father in the One Spirit.
John made no such declaration.
Thomas was taught by Jesus in Jn 14
“”If you had known Me you would have known the Father also;from now on you know Him and have seen Him”
So when Thomas said in Jn 20
” My Lord AND my God” it showed he had understood.
That sounds right to my ears.
March 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm#791400
kerwin
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bodhitarta,
Ecclesiastes 7:29Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
This why I said that mankind was created in the image of God and then became corrupted by sin so they no longer bare it. The purpose of the new covenant is to return mankind to that image.
The teaching that God first created the physical, then those with souls, and last of those that are spiritual is based on the fact that there are three uses of the word translated created in Genesis 1 and these types of the events are first time those type of creations are written in the that chapter. So you are correct that it has a basis in Scripture.
I claim God has not outer image because he created space and any outer image requires space to exist as that is where it is located. Scripture declares God is invisible and yet even the angels that are often hidden from our sights are not said to be invisible.
I know that the ones that Scripture explicitly calls angels often have the outer form of human beings. There are some inanimate things also called messengers. There are also living creatures that do not look like humans except perhaps in part and they are never called angels. If God is speaking about making humanity is physical form of the unity then the angels form is the only one spoken of in Scripture that humans look like.
All my reasoning is based on Scripture though sometimes it has been pointed out to me even though after I look at it looks like it is obvious. I am a human and therefore limited and God reveals what he chooses to whomever he chose to reveal it.
March 22, 2015 at 3:01 pm#791401
bodhitharta
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@DavidL
each time you make a claim I give you an example and you turn blind to it: You say things like who would make such a claim as “I and my father are one” God has made a similar claim in the Bible telling Samuel:
And the LORD told him:
1 Samuel 8:7 “Listen to all that the people are saying to you;
as their king.
This is God actually and literally saying it. It is the same construction God and Samuel are one, rejecting Samuel is rejecting God according to God and it is the same with Jesus, rejecting Jesus is rejecting God, rejecting Moses is rejecting God. When Moses went to the children of Israel and they asked who sent you MOSES said : I AM that I AM, he didn’t explain that God told him to say it, he didn’t tell them the whole story about how he saw a burning bush, he said it with authority and power from on high and God was with Him.
I was certainly guided buy the Spirit of God to find that Samuel verse for you because God just put it in my head and I was able to find it easily God wants you to know the facts because even if you do not believe what I am telling you at least I have shown you the scripture itself.
Luke 10:6 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
Jesus and Samuel are speaking from the same Context is this true or false?
March 22, 2015 at 3:05 pm#791402
NickHassan
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Hi kw
“This why I said that mankind was created in the image of God and then became corrupted by sin so they no longer bare it.”
Assumption upon assumption
March 22, 2015 at 3:06 pm#791403
NickHassan
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Hi KW

“inanimate things also called messengers.”
dead messengers??
March 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm#791404
NickHassan
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Hi KW

“Scripture declares God is invisible and yet even the angels that are often hidden from our sights are not said to be invisible.”
Were the angelic armies initially VISIBLE to Elisha??
March 22, 2015 at 3:21 pm#791406
kerwin
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Nick,
The only cases of things called messengers that do not look like men is inanimate objects like a “pillar of fire”, “pillar of cloud’, and perhaps others. Those can be non-living things God chose to use as his messengers and so not party of the unity.
There are also living creature but they are not called angels though they are part of the unity but they are clearly not a part that God declared he would make man in the outward likeness of. Creation is a team effort though all Scriptures tells us the host of heaven did was to sing and to shout for joy.
Sometimes I am curious about what bible you read and this is one of those times because you should already be aware that Scripture declares that before Adam was fell from God’s grace he did not sin. I already quoted a Scripture to bodhitarta from Ecclesiastes that tells us humanity was created upright.
March 22, 2015 at 3:32 pm#791408
kerwin
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Nick,
2 Kings 6:17 does not explicitly say if Elisha ever had his eyes open to see the angels or just knew they were there because of his faith. It is likely his eyes were open to there existence and so he knew they were there before he asked God to reveal to his servant. This would parallel what happened with Baalam and his as.
This passage does not say they were invisible but its wording reveals that Elisha’s servant just could not see them though they were hidden within his sight. It calls the sight of them a vision.
March 22, 2015 at 3:37 pm#791409
kerwin
Participant
Nick,
Inanimate does not mean dead.
A cloud and a fire are both inanimate things.
March 22, 2015 at 3:42 pm#791410
NickHassan
Participant
Hi KW,
It means lifeless.
A stone is inanimate
March 22, 2015 at 3:44 pm#791411
NickHassan
Participant
Hi KW,
Where does God call inanimate objects His messengers?
You make it up as you go along it seems.
March 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm#791412
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
So Elisha could not see the angels and then he could.
Rationalisation is a form of deceit I am sure you know
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