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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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  • March 5, 2015 at 7:55 am#789953
    DavidL
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    HERESIES – ANCIENT & MODERN

    by Selwyn Stevens “Fatal Faiths – The Cult Counterfeits of Christianity”

     

    Page 35. “Virtually all heresies with any relevance to Christianity relate to the nature of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, or requirements for Salvation. Indeed the first four major Councils of the Christian Church were called together specifically to deal with the major heresies of their time.

     

    Let us look briefly at the major ones starting with those about the nature of Christ. There are three main streams of heretical thinking. Christians understand that the Bible shows Jesus as 100% God and also 100% man at the same time. One heretical stream denies the deity of Jesus; the second denies His humanity; while the third stream confuses His duel nature of both deity and humanity together. The issues are very important, so it isn’t a case of disputing over words, but these heresies strike at the very foundation of Christian beliefs. That may explain why these heresies are opposed so strongly by Bible-believing Christians.

     

    The Arian Heresy

    This belief is a denial of the eternalness or divinity of Jesus Christ, which was originally promoted by Arius of Alexandria. The council of Nicaea in 325 condemned this teaching as a heresy, primarily because Athanasius, also of Alexandria, was able to show from the Scriptures that Jesus was one substance with the Father so His divinity was beyond question. This view was later confirmed by the church Council of Constantinople in 381. The Arian heresy largely faded after that, but has resurfaced in recent times in cults such as the Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, The Way International, Children of God, Theosophy and others.

    March 5, 2015 at 8:27 am#789959
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the holy Spirit and power.

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    But the flesh contributes nothing.

     

    We men can follow such a man.

    March 5, 2015 at 8:49 am#789966
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi DavidL,

    Confused men would try to separate God from His own Spirit and call the Spirit another person.

    Shun such folly

     

    2Jn 9

    March 6, 2015 at 8:55 pm#790131
    DavidL
    Participant

    You know…theological arguments against the Trinity can sometimes seem quite convincing, but no matter how right they sound – the Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Spirit = One God) is simply a reality…a reality that we accept in our spirits by revelation when we are born again…and it’s not until some self-proclaimed teachers start twisting the Scriptures to say what they want it to say, that doubts begin to rise in peoples minds – the same way that the serpent’s reasoning made Eve begin to question God’s Word in the garden…

    Hear the Near Death Experience of a former atheist who encountered the reality of the Trinity – this is an awesome testimony that helps expose the fallacies of cult teachings found on this web site…

     

     

    March 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm#790138
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Should we not have serious doubts about teachings that cannot be found in the bible but only in the mouths of men?

    Whom are we following?

    March 6, 2015 at 9:52 pm#790139
    DavidL
    Participant

    “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” – 2 Corinthians 11:3

     

    “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.” – Ephesians 5:6

     

    “Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies [knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning] and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;” – Colossians 2:9

     

    “speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.” – 2 Peter 3:16

     

    “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” – Revelation 22:18,19

    March 6, 2015 at 9:58 pm#790140
    DavidL
    Participant

    Yes Nick – we should have serious doubts about many things taught on this web site… because they stem from the MIND of man, and are contrary to the revealed truth of Scripture..

    March 6, 2015 at 10:12 pm#790141
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    You do think our understandings should come from the bible

    or not?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm#790142
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl.

    Did any of the books of the OT teach a trinity?

    Did Jesus, or Paul or Peter etc?

     

    Then why would anyone defend it?

     

    March 6, 2015 at 10:14 pm#790143
    DavidL
    Participant

    don’t you know that every Christian cult bases their teaching on the Bible…?!

    March 6, 2015 at 10:15 pm#790144
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Jesus taught a lot about his Father God and the work of His Spirit among men

    But he never claimed to be a god of any kind.

     

    Why would we choose to follow the teachings of another?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm#790145
    DavidL
    Participant

    Tell me Nick…what does it mean to you personally to be born again…?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm#790146
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Yes there are many false teachers and false prophets.

     

    Reason again to turn back to the revealed truth

    or are men too frightened of deception

    while they live under it?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm#790147
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Jesus taught about this in Jn3.

    Peter expounded the detail at Pentecost.

     

    Go and listen to them

    March 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm#790148
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You say

    ..”and are contrary to the revealed truth of Scripture.”

    Then you should show us what scripture teaches about a trinity God.

    Inference is not useful so show us the plain teaching

    March 6, 2015 at 10:27 pm#790149
    DavidL
    Participant

    I have spent much time in the past debating this issue on this site – giving much Scripture reference…but it’s pointless trying to communicate spiritual realities with people if they are not born again…

    …so can I ask you again Nick – what does it mean to you personally to be born again…??

    March 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm#790150
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Just as soon as you answer my questions about the plain teaching you say you have found in the bible about a trinity god.

    March 6, 2015 at 10:44 pm#790151
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    psst

    There is NONE.

    March 6, 2015 at 10:57 pm#790152
    DavidL
    Participant

    Surely you must know that John declares the Word was God…?!

     

    Thomas worships Jesus calling Him both Lord and God..?!

     

    Jesus declares He and the Father are ONE..?!

     

    All these are the plain Scriptures without any human reasoning applied to them in an effort to change their meaning…but the more you look, the more you find the trinity embedded throughout the whole Bible right from Genesis I…”Let us make man in our image..” etc, etc, etc…

     

    But really Nick if you are not born again I can only expect that you will just come up with all the old arguments so often found on this site…

    March 7, 2015 at 6:15 am#790161
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Jesus testifies that the one he calls God is the ONLY TRUE GOD. Do you believe it when Jesus calls “the father” The ONLY TRUE GOD? If you do believe what Jesus said wouldn’t that make Jesus and every other being anything else but God?

    Secondly you mention Thomas calling Jesus “God” what you did not manage to notice was no one else responded that way at the time so wouldn’t be possible for Thomas to say that because what he witnessed was astonishing sort of like when the viper bit paul: Acts 28:6 The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.

    Now you would easily agree that Paul was not/is not a god, am i right? now if it was a well known fact to his disciples that Jesus was “God” why would they then declare Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

    Now we are not talking about a moment of surprise we are talking about an actual prepared statement in front of everyone and yet they make it ABSOLUTELY clear that this was a MAN.

    Now as far a John 1:1 you seem to make the most common mistake of all which is to allow this chapter to coincide somehow with Genesis simply because it says “In the beginning” but what you misunderstand is John is talking about the beginning of his Gospel and we can know this because he says and the Word became Flesh, if this was “The beginning” in context to Genesis that Flesh would have been Adam but the fact is “In the beginning” of the Gospel Mary is told that she will be with child and God made this possible simply by command(without intercourse or help of any kind) so the Word did become Flesh at that time not at the beginning of time since at mans beginning the breath of God was breathed in him and not by command.

    Jesus said the Father and I are one but he also said John 14:20 At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

    That would make everyone God by your logic otherwise me and my Father are one is a statement of Unity not divinity

    and Finally keep this in mind: Matthew 12:32
    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

    again if your logic holds true about a trinity it allows for the Trinity God to be blasphemed because this is a paradox, Jesus who you say is 1 part of the trinity declares he is allowed to be blasphemed but the Holy Spirit which is 1 part cannot be blasphemed

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