1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #284156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Did you think the UNITY promised was not OF THE SPIRIT?

    #284162
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,14:47)
    Hi Jammin,

    You will certainly learn about the “Subject” and “Object”
    within a paragraph when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come (Object: God's Son), and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know him that is true(Subject: God), and we are in him that is true(Subject: God),
    even in his Son Jesus Christ(Object). This is the true God(Subject), and eternal life.

    1 Tim 1:16-17 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all
    longsuffering(Object: God's Son), for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    Now(Subject: God) unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    “Subject” and “Object” are a part of every paragraph structure. You will learn all about this when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284166
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,16:49)
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    if you are fool kerwin, do not make people fool

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool. you are a pig kerwin. you are a pig

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    I am merely explaining what should be clear to that understand English; that is that Paul is demonstrating the mind that is in Jesus that he previous instructed also have.

    How can you have a mind like Christ if you do not know what it is?  Paul knows that and demonstrated the mind of Christ in action.

    If you object to a mature believer being Christlike and therefore being being in the form of God then you object to the goal of the gospel.

    #284174
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:10)
    Hi T,
    Did you think the UNITY promised was not OF THE SPIRIT?


    N

    it all depend what you are believing what the spirit his

    #284198
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi Jammin,
    God poured of the Holy Spirit into Jesus who gives it to his body.
    Eternal life is in the Spirit given to Jesus.
    1Jn 5.20

    #284213
    jammin
    Participant

    kerwin,
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.

    #284214
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2012,14:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,14:47)
    Hi Jammin,

    You will certainly learn about the “Subject” and “Object”
    within a paragraph when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come (Object: God's Son), and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know him that is true(Subject: God), and we are in him that is true(Subject: God),
    even in his Son Jesus Christ(Object). This is the true God(Subject), and eternal life.

    1 Tim 1:16-17 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all
    longsuffering(Object: God's Son), for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
    Now(Subject: God) unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    “Subject” and “Object” are a part of every paragraph structure. You will learn all about this when you take High School English.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Christ is not a false GOD. he is truly GOD!
    that's what john wants to tell us in 1 john 5.20

    the father is the true GOD
    the son is the true GOD

    they have the same nature, GOD!

    #284215
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,14:08)
    Hi Jammin,
    Two verse theology with wrong interpretation is not a secure place


    your word fits your teachings.
    btw, i still have a question for you

    do you have the nature of GOD or you can share the nature of GOD?

    you may ask for help

    #284266
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    So you think Christ Jesus [the Word, the Spirit of Christ], who was in the FORM OF GOD did not empty himself and come as a servant?[phil2]

    #284271
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,12:55)
    Hi Jammin,
    So you think Christ Jesus [the Word, the Spirit of Christ], who was in the FORM OF GOD  did not empty himself and come as a servant?[phil2]


    N

    it is either Christ or his spirit

    #284273
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,18:09)
    kerwin,
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    You are well aware that a mature believer is in the form of God from what Peter writes, if not from the fact that Jesus is being used as an example in Philippians 2:5-.

    We can go from there or become we can become involved in a useless argument.

    #284282
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Christ means anointed one.
    You cannot now drive a wedge between Jesus Christ and the Spirit of Christ.

    #284326
    jammin
    Participant

    nick,
    christ also means the son of GOD mat 16.16

    luke 2
    11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord

    there is no jordan river there. btter luck next time boy

    #284327
    jammin
    Participant

    kerwin,
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.

    #284330
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,08:26)
    kerwin,
    i do not need your explanation.
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    you may ask for help boy.


    Jammin,

    You are sounding irrational so there is no sense dealing with you on this issue. Perhaps on another issue or this one at a different time as God is working on you.

    #284340
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,13:25)
    nick,
    christ also means the son of GOD mat 16.16

    luke 2
    11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord

    there is no jordan river there. btter luck next time boy


    Hi Jammin,
    Peter said Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Yes Jesus became the Christ and the firstborn from the dead at the Jordan.

    #284392
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,14:35)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,13:25)
    nick,
    christ also means the son of GOD mat 16.16

    luke 2
    11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord

    there is no jordan river there. btter luck next time boy


    Hi Jammin,
    Peter said Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Yes Jesus became the Christ and the firstborn from the dead at the Jordan.


    you said:
    Yes Jesus became the Christ

    where can i read at the jordan river that God said you became Christ now at the jordan river??

    you may ask for help

    #284393
    jammin
    Participant

    kerwin,
    answer my question. do not run and hide
    read your illusion in phil 2.6

    actually, the topic is 1 john 5.20 but you are too much. you are giving wrong meanings to the bible and you are making people fool.

    read your opinion.
    you said:So a mature believer being in the form of God,

    where can i read that in phil 2.6??

    are you afraid to answer my question???
    you may ask for help boy.

    #284416
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,23:28)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,14:35)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,13:25)
    nick,
    christ also means the son of GOD mat 16.16

    luke 2
    11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord

    there is no jordan river there. btter luck next time boy


    Hi Jammin,
    Peter said Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Yes Jesus became the Christ and the firstborn from the dead at the Jordan.


    you said:
    Yes Jesus became the Christ

    where can i read at the jordan river that God said you became Christ now at the jordan river??

    you may ask for help


    Hi Jammin,
    Yes the man Jesus was anointed at the Jordan
    Did you not know CHRIST means ANOINTED?
    Lk 4.18

    #284417
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    God does not allow you to put words in His mouth.
    But He does require you to be born of the Spirit to understand Him.[1Cor2]

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