What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #799431
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    What an imagination.

    No relationship to truth though.

    #799432
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick,

    WHAT IS IT which makes you SO uncomfortable THAT SINCE YOU ARE SO SURE OF THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU NEVER PRODUCED SCRIPTURE WHICH SAYS:

    HOW, WHERE, AND EXPLAIN WHY SCRIPTURE DECLARES THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    A three-fold witness in scripture as to who the one true God is.

    1 Corinthians 8:6
    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    Ephesians 4:4-6
    There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.…

    John 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Do you have eyes to see this truth? Can you hear it? Can you accept it?

    #799436
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Charles said:

    IT IS DIRECTED TO SATANA, AND HIS GENUINE RELATED SUBSTANCE OF FLESH AND BLOOD,SUPPLIED BY GOD, WHO HAD JUST ENTERED INTO ADAM,THROUGH SIN, AND OWNED TEMPORARY, FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME

    He does not use logical reasoning to reach that claim as it does not follow from anything else he says but rather it comes from himself.

    Adam is created from the earth and then God breathes the breath of life into his nostrils so that he becomes a living soul. The Hebrew word adam is translated to the English word man in Genesis 2:7 so it literally says “Then the LORD God formed adam from the dust of the ground…” He also ignores thee fact that upon death the human body returns to dust.

    #799437
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Man often ascribes to himself what comes from within him.

    The mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

     

    The mouth of Jesus spoke too from what was in him-the Spirit of God.

    #799442
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    A three-fold witness in scripture as to who the one true God is.

    1 Corinthians 8:6
    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    Ephesians 4:4-6
    There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.…

    John 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Do you have eyes to see this truth? Can you hear it? Can you accept it?

    I have always believed that the Father is the one true God and Jesus is Lord, Christ, Messiah, Lamb of God, Son of God – but in using this to DENY the true Deity of Christ (Who is BOTH human and Divine)…you have erred.

    Consider also the threefold witness of the Deity of Christ in Scripture.

    “I and the Father are One.”

    “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

    #799443
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Very seldom did Jesus anything new to what was already written. The largest thing I can think of is that he had to sacrifice himself in order to establish the new covenant and even that was hinted at in the OT.

    He cleared up a number of teachings including those about how to keep the Sabbath holy. He also the issue of divorce though many that call themselves Christian ignore his words or treat them as if they no longer apply.

    #799444
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    I have always believed that the Father is the one true God and Jesus is Lord, Christ, Messiah, Lamb of God, Son of God …

    There is not one word about Jesus being the one true God in all these words.

    – but in using this to DENY the true Deity of Christ (Who is BOTH human and Divine)…you have erred.

    Here you claim that Jesus Christ is the one true God.

    Scripture states Jesus was made like his brothers and yet according to you his brothers are not both human and Divine.

    The only Divine there is in Jesus is the Spirit the one true God put upon him, just as he told us beforehand.

    Isaiah 42:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold;
    mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth;
    I have put my spirit upon him:
    he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    #799445
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Jesus did foretell the future and many miracles were performed though him to the glory of God.

    #799447
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi

     

    what is troubling me is that we say we know scriptures and yet do not know who are those that will or can give us life and save us from this wicked world ,

    yet we all believers suppose to know that God only looks for ;Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
    Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

     

    now in our view how come that we do not see or understand THE TRUTH OF GOD AND HIS SON ?

     

    all are not the truth ;but only the truth will save us right ? yes

     

    scriptures does not say that it is okay to believe what we want and so expect to be saved right ? NO

     

    so what is wrong with some of you here ?

    #799452
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. 2cor5

    Acts 2.22f

    “… Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and signs,

    WHICH GOD DID BY HIM in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know..”

     

    But your bible says he was another god who did all these things?

     

    #799490
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    It is not error to fail to accept the ADDITIONS men have made to the Word of God.

     

    #799547
    DavidL
    Participant

    Kerwin

    Here you claim that Jesus Christ is the one true God.

    No – but that Jesus Christ is One with the one true God.

    #799548
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nick

    It is not error to fail to accept the ADDITIONS men have made to the Word of God.

    we do not accept the additions of men – but the revelation of the Spirit – “I and the Father are One.”

    #799555
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    You mean ONE AND THE SAME?

    It is not in scripture

    He said he is the Son of God but you know more/

    #799556
    DavidL
    Participant

    The SON said He was one with the Father – why ADD your own confusion…?

    #799563
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Yes and if you understood spiritual unity you would know what he meant.

    #799566
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    So your confession about Jesus is that he is God?

    #799574
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    The Trinity teaches that Jesus is the one true God in the personage of the Son. What teaching do you adhere to if you do not believe that Jesus is the one true God as Trinitarians do?

    Jesus and God are one in the Spirit just as those that learn to live by the Spirit are.

    #799672
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    A son of Adam born of a woman, born under the Law.

    #799674
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The SON said He was one with the Father – why ADD your own confusion…?

    Oh boy, are you capable of learning anything?

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