What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #796875
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj,

    If Christ was established through Jesus’ glorification, HOW MAY I ASK COULD HAVE BEEN IN ADAM?

    Charles,

    The bible says that the spirit of Christ was in the Prophets. (ref. 1Peter 1:11)

    We are having the same conversation in this thread as well…
    PROOF of Jesus’ eternal past existence

    Please Charles, let’s talk about this there.

    Wake-up use to talk about the same stuff on every thread. And so does BD to an extent.
    Having the same conversation on all the threads means you can’t find what you said,
    because there are too many places to look for it. Thanks for your consideration!

    ______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796876
    Ed J
    Participant

    hi ED,

    It is not written.

    So it remains your own speculation.

    What God has made plain is that the gift of His own Spirit transforms natural men.

    And if men allow that divine Spirit to control them they become sons of God.

    Such is the ultimate plan of God to allow us to become spiritually united with Him.

    It arises out of our hopeless state of condemnation because of service to the god of this world.

    Those who do not take up this offer remain under His wrath and become part of the dregs of creation.

    Hi Nick,

    Are you saying that is not the case before sin entered the world?

    ______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796885
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The serpent was already in the garden before the arrival of Adam.

    What happened is a clear indication that in his natural state man is unable to deal with the god of this world.

    Adam submitted to that god and rebelled against the True God cutting all his descendants off  from the simple communion with God that he had enjoyed.

     

    Sin in the flesh ruled men and only the work of God’s Spirit could rescue him from this state.

    #796958
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    So is your confession about Jesus that he was a godly being before his conception?

    #797011
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The serpent was already in the garden before the arrival of Adam.

    Scripture please

    #797022
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    There is no word in genesis suggesting that the reverse is true.

    The discussion in Gen 3 1f does not indicate this vessel was a newcomer any more than any other ‘beast of the field’ created in Gen 2.19 f

     

    The serpent is identified as satan in Rev 12.9

    #797071
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Adam was CREATED before the serpent.

    But the serpent was a vessel for the prince of this world who was before Adam.

    #797153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Did Jesus exist before his conception?

    #797155
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8

    CHRIST Jesus was .[phil2]

    Jesus CHRIST is the same YESTERDAY, today and forever.

     

    #797168
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jn7

    .16

    “.. My teaching is not mine but His Who sent me”

     

    v18

    “He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of the One Who sent him, he is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him”

     

    Christ Jesus spoke for the Father.

    But men attribute his sayings to the man himself.

    #797170
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ,

    If Jesus was a mouthpiece for God why do men want to make him some sort of god?

     

    #797171
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    What was promised to us in Jn 14-16 was given to Jesus.

    The Spirit of Christ and the spirit of truth in the one Holy Spirit.

    But folks do not know the Spirit and attribute divine powers to the human vessel.

     

    Strangely when the apostles and prophets raised the dead none of this attribution occurred.

    Acts 2.22

    #797172
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jn6.38

    “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me”

    Jn 6.38

    ” For the bread of God is that which came down out of heaven, and gives life to the world’

     

    jn6.51

    “I am the living bread that came down from heaven..”

     

    Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God

     

    Does anyone not realise that this is the WORD that is speaking through the vessel of Jesus?

    #797174
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    So this is the Spirit of The Son speaking[gal]

    The Servant Spirit to God.

    The Spirit of Christ.

    #797176
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Folk seem happy to accept when evil spirits speak through the vessel of man such as the demonised man in the tombs conversing with Jesus.

    However they are uncomfortable with the Holy Spirit doing so though Jesus Christ.

    Yet he told us this happened.

    #797185
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    John 8.22

    “.. where I am going you cannot come”

    and he was saying to them

    “You are from below. I am from above;

    you are of this world ;I am not of this world”

     

    This is the WORD speaking through the anointed man Jesus.

     

    #797188
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jn 8.42

    “.IF GODWERE YOUR FATHER , YOU WOULD LOVE ME; FOR I PROCEEDED FORTH AND HAVE COME FROM GOD, FOR I HAVE NOT EVEN COME ON MY OWN INITIATIVE,BUT HE SENT ME”

    THE WORD THAT WAS WITH GOD SPEAKS.

    And men only hear the man

    #797190
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jn 8.38

    “I speak the things which I have seen with my Father..”

    The Word was with God

    #797194
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jn 17.24

    “Father I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, in order that they may behold my glory which thou hast given me;

    for thou didst love me before the foundation of the world”

     

    The WORD was with God

    #797241
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Jn 8.58

    “..Before Abraham was born I am”

     

    The Word speaks

     

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