What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #796418
    bodhitharta
    Participant


    @Nick

    Hi BD,

    You are not qualified to interpret scripture to believers.

    You feel you can correct the wisdom of God

    2 Peter 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    #796419
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    2 Pet 1:20 is of no private interpretation except my own!

    #796420
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You attempt to understand what is spiritual while correcting the Spirit?

    #796425
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You might get some credibility if you did not rely just on your own opinion when interpreting single verses.

    Far better to find witnesses 2 cor 13.1

    #796427
    bodhitharta
    Participant


    @Nick

    Hi BD,

    You might get some credibility if you did not rely just on your own opinion when interpreting single verses.

    Far better to find witnesses 2 cor 13.1

    but even when I give you two, three, five or more witnesses you still do not believe

    #796429
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Mary was Levite on her mother’s side and of Judah on her father’s side.
    Mary’s lineage traces directly back to David (ref. Luke 3:31)
    So Jesus was certainly not denying that.

    Jesus was instead putting emphasis on the fact that his spirit (the spirit of Christ)
    was impregnated into Mary via God’s HolySpirit – making him the “Son of God”.
    Mary’s lineage does trace back to David via Nathan (Son of David).

    Jesus was both the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man”.

    “Son of God” – “Christ’s” Father is the HolySpirit
    “Son of Man” – “Christ’s Mother was Mary

    Christ’s Mother Mary WAS NOT AARON’S SISTER – islam is a fraud

    #796430
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Mary was Levite on her mother’s side and of Judah on her father’s side.
    Mary’s lineage traces directly back to David (ref. Luke 3:31)
    So Jesus was certainly not denying that.

    Jesus was instead putting emphasis on the fact that his spirit (the spirit of Christ)
    was impregnated into Mary via God’s HolySpirit – making him the “Son of God”.
    Mary’s lineage does trace back to David via Nathan (Son of David).

    Jesus was both the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man”.

    “Son of God” – “Christ’s” Father is the HolySpirit
    “Son of Man” – “Christ’s Mother was Mary

    Christ’s Mother Mary WAS NOT AARON’S SISTER – islam is a fraud

    EDJ your logic is so faulty because according to the scriptures of the Bible Adam was the son of God therefore if you want to do complete geneology biblical style there is no Son of Man. Christ has no Father. Christ was a spirit that proceeded from God and a Word from Him. Jesus Christ is son of Mary

    Jesus was denying that because he was not born of the flesh: IT WAS A MIRACLE and if he is born in the similitude of ADAM then he like Adam is a direct creation of God. If Jesus is the Son of David then Jesus is the Son of Adam and if Adam is Son of God then Jesus is not God’s only begotten son.

    #796431
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @EDJ

    was impregnated into Mary via God’s HolySpirit – making him the “Son of God”.

    what makes Adam the son of God then?

    #796432
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Your private interpretations are faulty

    because you have no faith to base them on.

     

    #796433
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    It is written the flesh is born of flesh and spirit is born of Spirit.

    I know it is true and so Jesus is the Son of Man because he was born of flesh and the Son of God because he was born of Spirit.

    #796436
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi KW,

    And

    First the Natural

    then

    The Spiritual

    #796437
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    It is not an important issue to me but the fact is, if he was asking a question to learn how, he would not given an answer to teach them his view was correct:

    Jesus was teaching by asking the question. His goal was to get his listeners to come up with the answer themselves. It is the Socratic method. In one example Socrates is said to have use 50 questions to teach a slave to draw a rectangle with twice the area as the one he was presented with. A study using it displayed that despite the evidence human nature has not changed over those thousands of years only 50% of the students were successful at learning.

    It is reasonable that his listeners even knew what he was doing as there were Hellenistic influences in their society.

    #796439
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Mary was Levite on her mother’s side and of Judah on her father’s side.
    Mary’s lineage traces directly back to David (ref. Luke 3:31)
    So Jesus was certainly not denying that.

    Jesus was instead putting emphasis on the fact that his spirit (the spirit of Christ)
    was impregnated into Mary via God’s HolySpirit – making him the “Son of God”.
    Mary’s lineage does trace back to David via Nathan (Son of David).

    Jesus was both the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man”.

    “Son of God” – “Christ’s” Father is the HolySpirit
    “Son of Man” – “Christ’s Mother was Mary

    Christ’s Mother Mary WAS NOT AARON’S SISTER – islam is a fraud

    EDJ your logic is so faulty because according to the scriptures of the Bible Adam was the son of God therefore if you want to do complete geneology biblical style there is no Son of Man. Christ has no Father. Christ was a spirit that proceeded from God and a Word from Him. Jesus Christ is son of Mary

    Jesus was denying that because he was not born of the flesh: IT WAS A MIRACLE and if he is born in the similitude of ADAM then he like Adam is a direct creation of God. If Jesus is the Son of David then Jesus is the Son of Adam and if Adam is Son of God then Jesus is not God’s only begotten son.

    Hi BD,

    I’m surprised just how shallow your thinking is.

    “Son of Man” means “Son of Mankind”
    – and –
    “Son of God” means Son of God’s Spirit

    When are you going to get this?
    Ed J

    #796444
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The Natural was first created on the Fifth Night and Day and the Spiritual was first created on the Sixth Night and Day. Some claim Adam was first created a natural creature and then made a Spiritual creature. I do not know if it is true but the way a child is formed in their mother’s womb may support that claim.

    #796447
    bodhitharta
    Participant


    @Nick

    Hi BD,

    Your private interpretations are faulty

    because you have no faith to base them on.

    who has the greater faith the one who believes God is Almighty and can SAVE anyone including Christ Jesus
    or the one that believes that God cannot save anyone except through Jesus Christ and also cannot save Jesus Christ

    It seems your Faith is based on everything that “can’t” happen and mines is based on everything that “can” happen

    #796450
    Ed J
    Participant

    @EDJ

    the spirit of Christ was impregnated into Mary via God’s HolySpirit – making him the “Son of God”.

    what makes Adam the son of God then?

    Hi BD,

    We have been through this before remember?
    Adam became the Son of God when God breathed of his spirit into Adam.
    Jesus was born the Son of God because the spirit of Christ was breathed into Mary’s conception.

    Adam was never a baby as far as I know.
    It’s God’s spirit breathed into us that makes us Son to God.
    ”Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts” (Zech 4:6)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796454
    Ed J
    Participant

    Nick,

    It is written the flesh is born of flesh and spirit is born of Spirit.

    I know it is true and so Jesus is the Son of Man because he was born of flesh and the Son of God because he was born of Spirit.

    Yes Kerwin,

    Very simple, why do people try to muddy the waters?
    Born of flesh – Mary
    Born of Spirit – God

    Two parents – not just one as BD is comprising.

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #796460
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @Nate

    Adam became the Son of God when God breathed of his spirit into Adam.
    Jesus was born the Son of God because the spirit of Christ was breathed into Mary’s conception.

    So in both csaes God breathed into one of His creations to create another? Adam was from the created earth and Mary also was from the created earth, right?

    #796461
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @EDJ

    So how many parents does Adam have?

    #796635
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You do not accept the teachings of God.

    You feel the need to correct God.

     

    but now you want to add your interpretation as well?

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