A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #826149
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It could be literal but would be strange if there was no sun. Morning and evening of course could perhaps mean the beginning and end of that period with no reference to the sun at all.

    #826150
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8, I think I’ll save my million dollars. But since you’re close why don’t you go for it?

    I will say that your point is well taken and I don’t have an answer as of yet. Kudos for putting some real thought into this!

    #826151
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    T8-Could be a fly on the lense?

    Lol !  or a demonic space booger

    #826152
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8, I think I’ll save my million dollars. But since you’re close why don’t you go for it?

    It’s kinda already proved to me because the yachts stopover in my city sometimes. I have seen them, met some of the crew, and find it really hard to imagine the whole thing being orchestrated to try and prove a globe earth. In fact, now that I think of it, I have personally met one of the skippers called Grant Dalton. A very down to earth guy. In the 1985-86 he sailed on board the Peter Blake-skippered Lion New Zealand. In the following race, he was skipper of Fisher & Paykel, which came second, 36 hours behind Blake’s Steinlager 2 yacht. Grant had success in the 1993-94 race. Would be way too strange to think he is a paid shill of the Globe Earth society.

    #826154
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Yes Adam and all who followed him died that day-within 1000 years.

    #826156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    All this nonsense is based on doubt and fear of deception.

    And what you fear comes upon you.

    DECEPTION.

    #826157
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Mike,

    What day were the third heavens made? Do you know?

    #826158
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Mike you quoted me and then responded:

    Kathi:  Also, Mike, I don’t know if you remember but I believe that day one of creation has to do in part by bringing forth the Son as the firstborn of all creation, begotten, not made…the Light of the world.

     

    Yeah, I commented on your first post about that.  I said that the words “Let there be” in Genesis always refer to God bringing something into existence that didn’t already exist.  So I don’t think Jesus could be the “Let there be light”, because I believe he and the other sons of God existed a long time before God created the world.  If you consider Jesus as the wisdom in Proverbs 8 – as you know I do – then it seems clear to me that this wisdom existed way before God brought forth the earth.

     

    Kathi:  The Light that sustained the upcoming creation was/is the Son and the Father…ultimately, no need for the sun to exist in order to sustain life, see the light that is given when there is no sun in Revelation. At that time there will be no more night, only day.

     

    I hear ya, but in this case we already have the light.  We’re trying to figure out what caused the evening 3 times before the sun and moon were placed in the firmament and set on their appointed circuits.  🙂

    You said there:

    I said that the words “Let there be” in Genesis always refer to God bringing something into existence that didn’t already exist.

    I think you need to tighten that up a bit and say that God brought something into existence into this new physical realm where creation began to exist that did not exist there before. The Light of Jesus was not in that physical realm yet because He was still in the Father. “Let there be Light” brought forth(begat) the Light of the Son into the realm of the creation,  enter the Firtsborn of all creation. Col 1:15+.

    You also said:

    So I don’t think Jesus could be the “Let there be light”, because I believe he and the other sons of God existed a long time before God created the world.  If you consider Jesus as the wisdom in Proverbs 8 – as you know I do – then it seems clear to me that this wisdom existed way before God brought forth the earth.

    Isn’t it reasonable to say that the order of creation and created beings would be-first create the dwelling next create those who are meant to dwell there. The earth was prepared before the animals and Adam and Eve were there. The heavens were made on day two. The angels would be created after the heavens were created in which they dwell. The angels must have been created on or after day two.

    Col 1 15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…

    #826159
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    It is simple.

    If God did not reveal the full glory of the universe in scripture it does not exist.

    hmmm.

     

    #826163
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    God didn’t reveal Australia and anything about the Americas to the citizens of the Middle East back in the day. I like to think that we could never know the full extent of God’s creation, it actually goes without saying. He is eternal and who can know his mind. And knowledge shall increase is a fruit of the end times. Look how much we know about the universe than we did back in the time of Christ.

    #826167
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed: “You need the sun and rotation of the Earth for a Day and Night – according to the Heliocentric model of course That means the first 3 DAYS …and what is said in DAY 1 seems to fit the bill”

    Hi Ed, (1)you don’t need the rotation of the earth for a day if the sun is revolving over a stationary earth. (2)You also don’t need the sun for a day if there is another light source.

    (3)Clearly God created (made) the sun on day 4 and placed it in the firmament. (4)That is what the plain reading of the text says. That however is not what scientism says. So the question is who are you going to believe?

    1) That is hypothetically true, but was not my point.
    2) And what source of light are you referring to? God creating himself perhaps?

    3) As I said before it could be easily argued the sun was Created on day one – MAKING A DAY
    and Day 4 merely a reiteration the sun and earths rotation mentioned on day one.

    DAY 1

    “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light”
    “And God called the light Day” <– God Created the Sun

    “and God divided the light from the darkness” <– the earths rotation

    (and the darkness he called Night) …Day 4

    4) You seem to be ignoring that the NIGHTTIME sky is the focus of day 4.
    I have to keep repeating myself because you continue to gloss over this

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #826168
    Ed J
    Participant

    T8 The last part of my Last post seems to losing the LINE spacing.

    This has happened before as well – What can be done about it?

    #826169
    Ed J
    Participant

    I could probably add this HTML code to artificially create line spacing but why should I have to?

    (color=white)……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………[(/color)

    #826170
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Not sure what happened, I looked at your post in text mode and all seemed okay in the text/code. I then switched to Visual mode and hit the ‘Submit’ button and it reposted fine. I tried Submitting the post again, but from Text mode, and fine again. Maybe there was a glitch in the connection at the moment of posting?

    #826171
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed: “1) That is hypothetically true, but was not my point. 2) And what source of light are you referring to? God creating himself perhaps? 3) As I said before it could be easily argued the sun was Created on day one – MAKING A DAY and Day 4 merely a reiteration the sun and earths rotation mentioned on day one. DAY 1 “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light”
    “And God called the light Day” <– God Created the Sun “and God divided the light from the darkness” <– the earths rotation (and the darkness he called Night) …Day 4 4) You seem to be ignoring that the NIGHTTIME sky is the focus of day 4. I have to keep repeating myself because you continue to gloss over this”

     

     

    Ed, we’re not told what source the light was from day one. It could not be “God creating Himself”, that is illogical and a contradiction of the scriptures.

    I disagree that “it could be easily argued the sun was created on day one”. It cannot given the wording of Scripture. It clearly says that the sun was made on day 4.

    How is the nighttime sky the focus when it clearly says; “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night” and “God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night“. Sounds pretty fair and balanced to me and if anything it would seem that the day would win because it has the “greater light”. Please explain why you think the night is the focus.

    Trying to place “scientism” on the same level as God’s Word will always fall short.

     

    #826172
    Ed J
    Participant

    Thank’s T8

    #826173
    Ed J
    Participant

    Please explain why you think the night is the focus.

    Because the stars and moon are seen at NIGHT (day 4)

    and because you need the sun to have the first DAY (day 1)

    #826174
    Ed J
    Participant

    With the creation of the sun and rotation of the earth you can have THE FIRST day

    Both aspects are mentioned as being created ON DAY ONE

    #826175
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This video touches on some of the points I raised earlier about distances in the Southern Hemisphere.

    IMO, it also debunks a number of Flat Earth claims that I have seen in some videos.

    #826179
    Lightenup
    Participant

    T8,

    Thanks for the video. That was terrific, simple and clear. The earth is a globe!

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