A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #825886
    Lightenup
    Participant

    t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.

    #825887
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.

    That’s basically my view too. Regardless, if Sagan was lying, isn’t the point that the third well proves the sphere earth and thus Sagan was right about the sphere earth. My guess he was assuming a distant sun in both flat and sphere earth theories.

    #825889
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂

    #825890
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hey Mike, I found a competing photo to my one, so mine is not so special after all. I feel sad now. The linked news article confirms the vantage point and subject.

    Mt Ruapehu

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapiti-observer/8924589/Fine-weather-ahead

    Now compare to mine.

    #825893
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Okay, I photoshopped mine to get it to look as good as the other one. Not even close.

    #825900
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Dig4thruth,

    In the beginning God created the heaven(a) and the earth(b).
    And God said, Let there be light(c): and there was light.
    And God divided the light from the darkness(d). And God called the light Day,
    and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Gen 1:1-5)

    (Note> On day 4 NIGHT is the focus)
    And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day (this happened on day 1),
    and the lesser light to rule the night(a): he made the stars also(b).
    And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven
    to divide the day from the night(b); and let them be for signs,
    and for seasons, and for days, and years(c): (Gen 1:16-19)

    Let’s presuppose for a minute the Heliocentric is true,
    Then could it not be said:

    On Day 1, God Created:
    a. Empty Space
    c. The Earth
    b. The Sun
    d. The Earth’s Axis rotation

    On day 4, for the darkness, God Created:
    a. The Moon
    b. The Stars
    c. The Earth’s orbit of the Sun

    I would like to hear both Your’s and Mike’s comments to this information.
    And like the sun being mentioned on day 4, so also is days, which both
    could be argued as occurring on day 1. (see highlighted portions)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #825902
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Job 37:9-10 Out of the south comes the storm, And out of the north the cold. 10 “From the breath of God ice is made, And the expanse of the waters is frozen.

     

    I’m not sure that Genesis would contain any description of the artic zones. It seems clear that at one time they were tropical too. Probably after the flood of Noah’s day the ice began to form to get the point that we see them today.

     

     

    #825903
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed, I don’t see how something said to be made on day 4 could be made on day 1. That would be a clear contradiction.

    I believe we must let Scripture speak for itself. If it says the sun was made on day 4 then that must mean what it says.

    Usually this type of timeline is used to accommodate long ages to fit in evolution, whether biological or astronomical. I don’t know if that is your intention or if you are just trying to accommodate a spherical earth but this is difficult to do if we take Scripture on face value.

    Keep in mind that each creation day had a night and a day.

    #825904
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Lightenup: “I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.”

     

     

    Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.

     

    Mike:  “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”

     

     

     

     

    #825905
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    t8, I believe you’ve got. The well experiment hinges on a sun that is millions of miles away. If it were close the shadows would not men a spherical earth. Also, keep in mind that adding a third well would not make any difference with a near sun.

    But that begs the question if there is any evidence of a near sun!

    I would have to say that there is. Two evidences come to mind; crepuscular rays and hotspots on clouds.

    I’ll have to get back to these a little later. I owe, I owe, it’s off to work I go…

    #825906
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike:  “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”

    And would be true if the sun were distant as is widely accepted.

    #825909
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike…..show me in the Gen 1-2 where there list any dates or times, only it says in the Beginning. Do you or anyone hare know when that was? IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, INFACT EVERY THEN IN SPACE HAD A BEGINNING. LIKE THE BIG BAN THEORY EXPLAINS maybe.
    Next go look up Jupiter’s information, and you will find that the planet is so large it acts like a giant vacuum suck up astroids and comets that aproch our solar system, so it is said to act as a protector of the earth. Look it up for yourself it all available for anyone to see.

    Nothing you and you FE buddies has yet been proved, as solid evidence, everything has been proven not true by many, many, many, scientific experts, not to even begin to mention the thousand of actual pictures and movies shot from space of hundreds of satlites, space station, eye witness from astronauts themselves, and the list goes on and on of thing that “completely” disprove the FLAT EARTH GARBAGE.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #825910
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed, I don’t see how something said to be made on day 4 could be made on day 1. That would be a clear contradiction.

    Hi Dig4thruth,

    You appear to be addressing the sun mention
    by your presupposed doubts as some kind of evidence,
    while at the same time ignoring an even clearer reference:

    “And God divided the light from the darkness” <-day 1 "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for ...days" <-- day 4

    #825911
    Ed J
    Participant

    Both of these ideas mentioned in day 4 refer BACK to the Earth’s rotation
    as it correlates to the Heliocentric model of our solar-system as mentioned in day 1.

    Please address this point

    #825913
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The creation of light and darkness in Gen 1.3 does not need a created sun.

     

    You do not need the Sun to have light.

    God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. 1jn 1.5

    And at the end there will be no need for a sun because God gives light. Is 60.19, Rev 22.5

    #825914
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Gene: “show me in the Gen 1-2 where there list any dates or times, only it says in the Beginning. Do you or anyone hare know when that was? IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, INFACT EVERY THEN IN SPACE HAD A BEGINNING. LIKE THE BIG BAN THEORY EXPLAINS maybe.”

     

     

    You just answered your own question, in the beginning. The beginning is when an event “begins”.

    The Big Ban[g] theory is astrological evolution, that’s all it is. It’s design is to try to eliminate God from His creation.

    Six days after the beginning of the universe man was created. He did not evolve and neither did the universe.

     

    #825915
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Gene: “Nothing you and you FE buddies has yet been proved, as solid evidence, everything has been proven not true by many, many, many, scientific experts, not to even begin to mention the thousand of actual pictures and movies shot from space of hundreds of satlites, space station, eye witness from astronauts themselves, and the list goes on and on of thing that “completely” disprove the FLAT EARTH GARBAGE.”

     

     

    Thanks for for pitching the softballs! Yes, there IS solid evidence.

    Which experiment would you like to begin with? Samuel Rowbothem’s Bedford Level experiment? Airy’s Failure, Olber’s Paradox, Michelson-Morley, Sagnac, Foucault’s Pendulum (yes, that’s one for our side), which one would you like to begin with?

    #825916
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    God has allowed the evil works of darkness.

    God is light and He has revealed the challenge.

    Light has to overcome the darkness in everyone.

    But Satan and the demons are already condemned.

    Earthly creation is condemned to death but hope reigns.

    Jesus Christ is the only means of salvation offered by God.

    Occupied man has to find the road to freedom and eternal life.

    God appeals to the vessel and offers help to him in overcoming Satan.

    Knowledge of his perilous situation and about entering the kingdom is vital.

    The way is not easy and the only hope for man is to listen and to obey every word.

    And he needs grace, grace and more grace.

     

    #825919
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed: “You appear to be addressing the sun mention by your presupposed doubts as some kind of evidence,
    while at the same time ignoring an even clearer reference: “And God divided the light from the darkness” <-day 1 “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for …days” <– day 4″

     

     

    I don’t have any presupposed doubts about the Word of God. The Word says the sun was created on day 4. <- (that’s a period)

    which part of “day 4” do you have a presupposed aversion to?

    Are you presupposing that God needs a sun or a moon to have light? Hmm? Have you not read that God is light? I John 1:5

    Assuming that the sun was created on day 1 is a little presumptuous, in my opinion. Can you defend it with Scripture is really the only test.

     

    #825920
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed: “Both of these ideas mentioned in day 4 refer BACK to the Earth’s rotation
    as it correlates to the Heliocentric model of our solar-system as mentioned in day 1.”

     

     

    “Heliocentric” refers to the sun. The sun wasn’t even created until day 4. How then can anything created on day 1 refer to the sun? And here is my burning question; where does it mention earth’s rotation? Spin, spinning, rotate, rotating, turn, turning, around and around, anything?

    Ed I can see you are seeking to investigate this matter. Be careful you may find yourself in the Flat Zone! And above all delight in the Lord this Shabbat! Blessings to you and yours! I enjoy your questions and your spirit of peace, the same with t8.

     

     

     

     

     

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