A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #938396
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  Blah, blah, blah… bring back the sun… blah, blah, blah.

    I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

    #938397
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    BOOMERANG!  More insults from a person who is literally speaking about HIMSELF!

    Only a clown would think that the Bible recording what the Pharisees actually DID say is somehow the Bible being wrong.

    Once again you are making false assumptions. Read my post again. I am stating that men say things in the bible that are not true, but historically true. So it is possible that even a man of God may state something from his limited understanding and such may not be for establishing doctrine. That said, I am also not saying he is wrong. I am trying to remind you that you need to be critical, reasonable, and understand the context. But you lack all these. I speak the truth about this Mike. I think it is time for you to meditate on your current state of being and ask God for help.

    #938398
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  Personally speaking, and God is my witness, my opinion was the raqia being most likely the first and second heaven.

    Okay.  I guess it’s fine by me if you want to think the ONE raqia is BOTH the first AND second heavens.  Just remember that it still all boils down to one very simple thing…

    The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.  Not “in the middle of the raqia”, but ABOVE the raqia itself.

    So if you think the raqia is the first and second heaven together, then you just need to tell us what the waters ABOVE the first and second heaven are.

     

    #938399
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

    Let me translate this for you. You cannot bring back the sun.

    I wonder why? Maybe because the heliocentric model is true and you cannot bring back the biggest physical light in the cosmos from our point of view. Yet somehow, your compatriots can bring back small boats.

    Something isn’t adding up is it?

    Lol.

    #938400
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, the more you argue, the more I win.

    You are making me more of a winner.

    But I don’t take the credit myself because I have to admit that arguing for the truth is easy.

    Telling lies and more lies to cover those lies is difficult.

    This is why you are consistently losing mike.

    I win, you lose.

    #938401
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  I am stating that men say things in the bible that are not true…

    We’re talking about a writer OF scripture making HIS OWN claim about our Biblical earth.  We’re NOT talking about a writer of scripture QUOTING Satan or someone else telling a lie.

    You are trying to conflate the two, and I’m merely exposing your flawed plan.

    So focus ONLY on the claims that the writer of Psalm 148 made – ON HIS OWN, not quoting someone else – about there being waters above the heavens.  Is that CLAIM true or false?

    Pretender:  I am also not saying he is wrong.

    Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

    #938402
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.

    Nope. That raqia is the division created by the waters only.

    God had already created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

    Sky is what we see when we look up. It is obvious that the clouds are in the sky and stars are in the sky. Speaking of the waters, one layer of water is above the raqia. And speaking of the stars, they are in the raqia.

    Further, clouds cover heaven and God called the raqia – heaven. So that points to the first heaven at least.

    These are the facts.

    #938403
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  I win, you lose.

    Really?

    Mike:  Here’s a way you and I can actually have a respectable discussion about this issue.

    Pretender:  NO!  I’m not interested in an actual discussion about it because I know you’ll just keep exposing my faulty premise like you already did when you addressed it the first four times!

    But sure, Tiger… you’re the big winner here.  😉👌

    #938404
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

    Nope. I am reminding you that you need to be careful about establishing doctrine from such words. If we did that with all words in the bible, then we would need to craft a doctrine about Jesus having a demon. That is the point. The fact that you cannot grasp my point only further reinforces to us that you cannot fathom many things.

    #938405
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Tiger: I am the winner

    Mike: Here’s a video of a man who is a potential shapeshifter. Look at his eyes when he blinks.

    That is pretty much what has happened here.

    #938406
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Mike:  Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

     

    Pretender:  Nope. I am reminding you that you need to be careful about establishing doctrine from such words.

    Actually, you’re trying to stall.  Just tell me plainly if the writer of Psalm 148 was right or wrong about there being waters above the heavens.

    #938407
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    He would be right if we are talking about the first heaven. He does also say that the clouds cover the heavens after all.

    If he is talking about the second heaven, then he may or may not be right. But if he was right and there is water outside the cosmos, then we haven’t discovered it yet. But this has no bearing on the shape of the earth, so you have lost. This is not evidence the earth is flat is it.

    Back to the drawing board Mike. Take as much time as you need.

    #938408
    mikeboll64
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    Mike:  The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.

     

    Proclaimer:  Nope.

    Okay, here we go again…

    Genesis 1:7… Thus God made the raqia, and divided the waters which were under the raqia from the waters which were above the raqia.

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say there are waters above the raqia itself?  Yes or No?

    Genesis 1:14-17…  Then God said, Let there be lights in the raqia of the heavens…  God set them in the raqia of the heavens…

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say God placed the luminaries IN the raqia of the heavens?  Yes or No?

     

    Now, an HONEST man would just simply answer these questions directly and honestly.  But what will Pretender do?  🤔

    #938409
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender: He would be right if we are talking about the first heaven…

    And what does the context tell us?  He has intentionally broken the psalm up into “things of heaven” and “things of earth”.  The sun, moon, stars and waters above the heavens are all listed in the “things of heaven” category, while he lists clouds, not only in the “things of earth” category, but also as something OTHER THAN the waters above the heavens.

    So…  Was he talking about the first heaven when he mentioned the waters above the heavens?  Come on, Tiger… you can do this.

    Pretender: If he is talking about the second heaven, then he may or may not be right.

    He is CLEARLY talking about the second heaven… but we want a DEFINITIVE answer from you.  Was the writer of Psalm 148 right or wrong when he spoke of waters above the heavens?

    Pretender:  But if he was right and there is water outside the cosmos, then we haven’t discovered it yet. 

    What do you mean “if” he was right?  Are you saying it’s possible that he was WRONG?  Yes or No?

    #938410
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

    Life is short and we will meet our maker soon enough.

    But you can only change while you are here.

    Be wise and take advantage of the time you have left.

    At some point, all that precious time will be gone.

    #938411
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    What do you mean “if” he was right?  Are you saying it’s possible that he was WRONG?  Yes or No?

    David would not have been a perfect man. He may be right or wrong if he had an opinion on the cosmos and was referring to the second heaven specifically.

    In that case, I cannot verify it if would be true because Webb Telescope has not imaged a water layer outside the cosmos itself. If that happens, then I could be definite in my answer. But even if there was a water layer outside the cosmos, he could still be referring to the first heaven where there is also a water layer.

    Regardless, the earth is not flat and you have offered no verifiable evidence to prove your beliefs regarding that. Your raqia ramblings have zero bearing on the shape of our planet.

    So yes, you have lost. You have no argument.

    Either bring back the sun or take a long hard look in the mirror.

    #938412
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Genesis 1:7… Thus God made the raqia, and divided the waters which were under the raqia from the waters which were above the raqia.

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say there are waters above the raqia itself?  Yes or No?

    Genesis 1:14-17…  Then God said, Let there be lights in the raqia of the heavens…  God set them in the raqia of the heavens…

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say God placed the luminaries IN the raqia of the heavens?  Yes or No?

    Mike, this has been answered a ton of times. Stop being a mental case about it and accept my answers as my answers.

    1. If the biblical word can only mean ‘above’ then yes, the scripture would be stating that. It might have other meanings for all I know. If it is ‘above’ only, then he could be referring to the first heaven. After all, clouds cover the heaven/s according to another patriarch – David.
    2. I think yes, but I believe they already existed, but they appeared in the raqia. Placement of something and creation of something is two different things.

    God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. And verse 2 is about a formless earth. So earth already existed from Genesis 1:1 and verse 2 we see earth being mentioned again. So that means the heavens already existed too.

    Simple.

    I know you will try and refute or ignore the truth of the matter, but that is your decision. I only respect the truth and the truth is that the earth already existed, thus the heavens did as well.

    #938413
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, does the sun travel at mach 2.7 or thereabouts?

    Yes / No.

    #938415
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    A good saying that should be heeded.

    Marcus

    #938416
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike it’s Monday Meme day

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