Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #938396
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pretender:  Blah, blah, blah… bring back the sun… blah, blah, blah.

    I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

    #938397
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    BOOMERANG!  More insults from a person who is literally speaking about HIMSELF!

    Only a clown would think that the Bible recording what the Pharisees actually DID say is somehow the Bible being wrong.

    Once again you are making false assumptions. Read my post again. I am stating that men say things in the bible that are not true, but historically true. So it is possible that even a man of God may state something from his limited understanding and such may not be for establishing doctrine. That said, I am also not saying he is wrong. I am trying to remind you that you need to be critical, reasonable, and understand the context. But you lack all these. I speak the truth about this Mike. I think it is time for you to meditate on your current state of being and ask God for help.

    #938398
    mikeboll64
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    Pretender:  Personally speaking, and God is my witness, my opinion was the raqia being most likely the first and second heaven.

    Okay.  I guess it’s fine by me if you want to think the ONE raqia is BOTH the first AND second heavens.  Just remember that it still all boils down to one very simple thing…

    The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.  Not “in the middle of the raqia”, but ABOVE the raqia itself.

    So if you think the raqia is the first and second heaven together, then you just need to tell us what the waters ABOVE the first and second heaven are.

     

    #938399
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

    Let me translate this for you. You cannot bring back the sun.

    I wonder why? Maybe because the heliocentric model is true and you cannot bring back the biggest physical light in the cosmos from our point of view. Yet somehow, your compatriots can bring back small boats.

    Something isn’t adding up is it?

    Lol.

    #938400
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, the more you argue, the more I win.

    You are making me more of a winner.

    But I don’t take the credit myself because I have to admit that arguing for the truth is easy.

    Telling lies and more lies to cover those lies is difficult.

    This is why you are consistently losing mike.

    I win, you lose.

    #938401
    mikeboll64
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    Pretender:  I am stating that men say things in the bible that are not true…

    We’re talking about a writer OF scripture making HIS OWN claim about our Biblical earth.  We’re NOT talking about a writer of scripture QUOTING Satan or someone else telling a lie.

    You are trying to conflate the two, and I’m merely exposing your flawed plan.

    So focus ONLY on the claims that the writer of Psalm 148 made – ON HIS OWN, not quoting someone else – about there being waters above the heavens.  Is that CLAIM true or false?

    Pretender:  I am also not saying he is wrong.

    Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

    #938402
    Proclaimer
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    The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.

    Nope. That raqia is the division created by the waters only.

    God had already created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

    Sky is what we see when we look up. It is obvious that the clouds are in the sky and stars are in the sky. Speaking of the waters, one layer of water is above the raqia. And speaking of the stars, they are in the raqia.

    Further, clouds cover heaven and God called the raqia – heaven. So that points to the first heaven at least.

    These are the facts.

    #938403
    mikeboll64
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    Pretender:  I win, you lose.

    Really?

    Mike:  Here’s a way you and I can actually have a respectable discussion about this issue.

    Pretender:  NO!  I’m not interested in an actual discussion about it because I know you’ll just keep exposing my faulty premise like you already did when you addressed it the first four times!

    But sure, Tiger… you’re the big winner here.  😉👌

    #938404
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

    Nope. I am reminding you that you need to be careful about establishing doctrine from such words. If we did that with all words in the bible, then we would need to craft a doctrine about Jesus having a demon. That is the point. The fact that you cannot grasp my point only further reinforces to us that you cannot fathom many things.

    #938405
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Tiger: I am the winner

    Mike: Here’s a video of a man who is a potential shapeshifter. Look at his eyes when he blinks.

    That is pretty much what has happened here.

    #938406
    mikeboll64
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    Mike:  Okay, then you ARE saying he is right.  Great.  Then please tell us what and where these waters above the heavens are.  Thanks.

     

    Pretender:  Nope. I am reminding you that you need to be careful about establishing doctrine from such words.

    Actually, you’re trying to stall.  Just tell me plainly if the writer of Psalm 148 was right or wrong about there being waters above the heavens.

    #938407
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    He would be right if we are talking about the first heaven. He does also say that the clouds cover the heavens after all.

    If he is talking about the second heaven, then he may or may not be right. But if he was right and there is water outside the cosmos, then we haven’t discovered it yet. But this has no bearing on the shape of the earth, so you have lost. This is not evidence the earth is flat is it.

    Back to the drawing board Mike. Take as much time as you need.

    #938408
    mikeboll64
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    Mike:  The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, and the waters above are ABOVE the entire raqia.

     

    Proclaimer:  Nope.

    Okay, here we go again…

    Genesis 1:7… Thus God made the raqia, and divided the waters which were under the raqia from the waters which were above the raqia.

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say there are waters above the raqia itself?  Yes or No?

    Genesis 1:14-17…  Then God said, Let there be lights in the raqia of the heavens…  God set them in the raqia of the heavens…

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say God placed the luminaries IN the raqia of the heavens?  Yes or No?

     

    Now, an HONEST man would just simply answer these questions directly and honestly.  But what will Pretender do?  🤔

    #938409
    mikeboll64
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    Pretender: He would be right if we are talking about the first heaven…

    And what does the context tell us?  He has intentionally broken the psalm up into “things of heaven” and “things of earth”.  The sun, moon, stars and waters above the heavens are all listed in the “things of heaven” category, while he lists clouds, not only in the “things of earth” category, but also as something OTHER THAN the waters above the heavens.

    So…  Was he talking about the first heaven when he mentioned the waters above the heavens?  Come on, Tiger… you can do this.

    Pretender: If he is talking about the second heaven, then he may or may not be right.

    He is CLEARLY talking about the second heaven… but we want a DEFINITIVE answer from you.  Was the writer of Psalm 148 right or wrong when he spoke of waters above the heavens?

    Pretender:  But if he was right and there is water outside the cosmos, then we haven’t discovered it yet. 

    What do you mean “if” he was right?  Are you saying it’s possible that he was WRONG?  Yes or No?

    #938410
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

    Life is short and we will meet our maker soon enough.

    But you can only change while you are here.

    Be wise and take advantage of the time you have left.

    At some point, all that precious time will be gone.

    #938411
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    What do you mean “if” he was right?  Are you saying it’s possible that he was WRONG?  Yes or No?

    David would not have been a perfect man. He may be right or wrong if he had an opinion on the cosmos and was referring to the second heaven specifically.

    In that case, I cannot verify it if would be true because Webb Telescope has not imaged a water layer outside the cosmos itself. If that happens, then I could be definite in my answer. But even if there was a water layer outside the cosmos, he could still be referring to the first heaven where there is also a water layer.

    Regardless, the earth is not flat and you have offered no verifiable evidence to prove your beliefs regarding that. Your raqia ramblings have zero bearing on the shape of our planet.

    So yes, you have lost. You have no argument.

    Either bring back the sun or take a long hard look in the mirror.

    #938412
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Genesis 1:7… Thus God made the raqia, and divided the waters which were under the raqia from the waters which were above the raqia.

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say there are waters above the raqia itself?  Yes or No?

    Genesis 1:14-17…  Then God said, Let there be lights in the raqia of the heavens…  God set them in the raqia of the heavens…

    Very simple question:  Does this scripture say God placed the luminaries IN the raqia of the heavens?  Yes or No?

    Mike, this has been answered a ton of times. Stop being a mental case about it and accept my answers as my answers.

    1. If the biblical word can only mean ‘above’ then yes, the scripture would be stating that. It might have other meanings for all I know. If it is ‘above’ only, then he could be referring to the first heaven. After all, clouds cover the heaven/s according to another patriarch – David.
    2. I think yes, but I believe they already existed, but they appeared in the raqia. Placement of something and creation of something is two different things.

    God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. And verse 2 is about a formless earth. So earth already existed from Genesis 1:1 and verse 2 we see earth being mentioned again. So that means the heavens already existed too.

    Simple.

    I know you will try and refute or ignore the truth of the matter, but that is your decision. I only respect the truth and the truth is that the earth already existed, thus the heavens did as well.

    #938413
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike, does the sun travel at mach 2.7 or thereabouts?

    Yes / No.

    #938415
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    A good saying that should be heeded.

    Marcus

    #938416
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike it’s Monday Meme day

    278794221_3218022045191216_4044834343295241282_nBeing-Wrongdubayearth-spinning-too-fastendarkmentFE-Trainmessage

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