Was God Manifest in the Flesh?

1 Timothy 3:16

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This scripture infers that Jesus is God. Although you could argue that even we should manifest God in our lives knowing full well we are not God. Regardless, this verse is certainly a verse that Trinitarians use as a proof verse, and to the untrained eye, people may well accept that Jesus is God based on this verse alone.

But is this all there is to this matter.

Apparently this verse is controversial because most other translations do not say “God was manifest in the flesh”, rather they say “He was manifest in the flesh”.

So what is going on here. Why does the KJV say ‘God’ and most other translations say ‘He’?

I found this explanation in and thought it would be helpful to share it.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080728123800AALVzER

Thank you so much for this question. It is a very interesting one.

A few weeks ago, I inquired of a Greek translator who often posts on this site, asking him this very same thing. He kindly and carefully explained to me that, first off, one must understand the nomina sacra (sacred names). He explained that these are abbreviations, in early manuscripts, of certain names and titles. 

In ancient manuscripts 1 Timothy 3:16 had the word “os” which looks like: “OC” and means “he”. 

The nomina sacra of God looks like OC but it has a horizontal line through the middle of the O and a long horizontal line over both letters (as Abernathy, above, explained).

The Greek translator continues, and I quote: “In one old manuscript (Codex Alexandrinus) it seems to the nomina sacra, but an analysis of the manuscript demonstrated that the two horizontal lines were added centuries later. 

Many late manuscripts have the nomina sacra, but all manuscripts earlier than about 800AD have OC “He”

So “He was manifest in the flesh” is supported by all the most ancient manuscripts, “God was manifest in the flesh” has no attestation before 800 AD.”

End quote.

Hannah J Paul

 

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  • #805749
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Jesus Christ was led by the Spirit.

    His words came from the Spirit but folks just hear the man.

    God was at work in him to will and to do but natural men cannot hear the voice of God.

    #805768
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    1 John 4:7
    Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
    The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

    1 Corinthians 13:4-8
    Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    Love never ends…

    #805775
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I do have difficulty communicating but a prime factor is that I think faster than I write and do not check to see that I wrote every word I had thought.

    Otherwise I speak as a student and not a teacher.

    #805806
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……Good post brother, everyone who does not love, does not know God. Our word describe the spirits working in us, they produce the fruit, and the fruit of love is expressed by those who have it in them. “A GOOD TREE CANNOT BRING FORTH EVIL FRUIT, NEITHER CAN A CORRUPT TREE BRING FORTH GOOD FRUIT, Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.”

    peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

    #805808
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    God and His Son were manifest in the flesh as the Holy Spirit.

    We will come to you.

    #805813
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Yes, God dwells in Jesus through the Spirit and by faith in Jesus both Jesus and God dwell in those that believe through the same Spirit.

    #805817
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Where does scripture say that Jesus is a child of the Word?

    Hi Nick,

    For the law
    maketh men high priests which have infirmity;
    but The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son[color=#D0D0D0], who is consecrated for evermore.” (Heb 7:28)[/color]

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #805820
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The word of the oath.

     

    #805823
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The oath is in ps 2.7 and confirmed in mat 3.17 and lk 3.22.

    #805824
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The verses after ps 2.7 are also relevant.

    And Lk 9.35

    #805825
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    And God confirmed his Sonship in Mk1.11 and Mt 17.5

    God was never far from His beloved Son.

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