Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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May 1, 2007 at 12:44 pm#51125

Cult Buster

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Do you see any truth in these verses Nick?

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

May 1, 2007 at 7:17 pm#51144

Unisage

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Hi CB,
So you say there are three persons in God and one of them is The Father.
Then you say all have the office of Father but are unable to show three.
So the Father is just a a meaningless office to you and God is not a father?
Actually God is the father of Jesus by His own Spirit.

Nick, here is a Scripture that might help you.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

If the Holy Spirit and the Father were one and the same, would the Father send Himself? And would the Father travel under His alter ego, ie the Holy Spirit?

And if the Holy Spirit is not an identity in His own right, why did Jesus say whom instead of it?

I have quoted the following Scripture also in the past, but you seem to prefer to put your own interpretation on it.

Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.

The Holy Spirit is called He six times in this one verse and these are the words of Jesus.

He is the Spirit of Truth
He will come
He will guide
He will speak
He will hear
He will announce

What more do you need?

So if Jesus has a divine Spirit and a Human Spirit.When he died where did the Human Spirit Go? Where did the Holy Spirit Go? And where was the Father?

May 1, 2007 at 7:19 pm#51145

NickHassan

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Quote (Cult Buster @ May 02 2007,00:44)

Do you see any truth in these verses Nick?

Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Hi CB,
The measure you apply to others will apply to you
but you teach what is not written.
What gives?

May 1, 2007 at 7:24 pm#51146

Oxy

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Quote (Unisage @ May 02 2007,07:17)

So if Jesus has a divine Spirit and a Human Spirit.When he died where did the Human Spirit Go? Where did the Holy Spirit Go? And where was the Father?

Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit as we are when we receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit always is and therefore obviously does not die. I would imagine that He would remain with the risen Lord?

As for His human spirit, where does anyone's human sprit go when they die? But Jesus lives again so I imagine they have been reunited?

The Father remains where the Father is and always was.

Was there a point to this question?

May 1, 2007 at 7:33 pm#51147

Unisage

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Quote (Oxy @ May 02 2007,07:24)

Quote (Unisage @ May 02 2007,07:17)

So if Jesus has a divine Spirit and a Human Spirit.When he died where did the Human Spirit Go? Where did the Holy Spirit Go? And where was the Father?

As for His human spirit, where does anyone's human sprit go when they die? But Jesus lives again so I imagine they have been reunited?

The Father remains where the Father is and always was.

Was there a point to this question?

The point is simple what you say dont line up with rest of Scriptures.

Show me a Verse when Jesus died his Human Spirit join with the Divine Spirit.

Who was in the depth of the Earth? Where was the Father? What happen to the Holy Spirit. And I cant find a verse where a human and a Divine Spirit join togeather.So what happen to the Human Spirit that Jesus has?

May 1, 2007 at 7:44 pm#51150

Unisage

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Oxy

Who is really the Holy Spirit? Do you think that the Holy Spirit is a Person?

Then who is Jesus Christ? Is he the same as the Holy Spirit?

Are you saying that the Father is really the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ?

But what happen to the Human Spirit of Jesus?

Does this sound confusion to you? It would make me confused to if I was in the trinity.

May 1, 2007 at 8:13 pm#51154

Worshipping Jesus

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Hello

Since the “Logos” is Spirit!

Question for the Arian followers, (those who do not have a Trinitarian view).

How do you reconcile the folowing scriptures from an Arian view?

Rom 8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Cor 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to *drink into one Spirit*.

Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access *by one Spirit* unto the Father.

Eph 4:4
There is one body, and *ONE Spirit*, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2 Cor 3:17
Now the Lord(Kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord(Kurios) is, there is liberty.

2 Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus (Yeshua)Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Jn 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Jn 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

As you can see these scriptures state there is the Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ, the Spirit, Spirit of Him, His Spirit, Comforter all gloriously united together as One Spirit, which Paul calls the Spirit of God.

When someone accepts Jesus into their heart does the Spirit of Christ or God or the Comforter come to live in them?

How many Spirits do they recieve?

Blessings!

May 1, 2007 at 8:33 pm#51156

NickHassan

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Hi W,
Ther Spirit of God in Himself, in Christ and in us, unites us in that ONE SPIRIT

May 1, 2007 at 9:57 pm#51168

Worshipping Jesus

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2007,08:33)

Hi W,
Ther Spirit of God in Himself, in Christ and in us, unites us in that ONE SPIRIT

“The Spirit of God in himself.”

Where is this written?

May 1, 2007 at 10:14 pm#51169

NickHassan

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Hi W,
God is a spirit being. Do you do agree God has a Spirit? He speaks of it often.

Jl 2
” 28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

So God is speaking here of HIS Spirit which He POURS OUT-From where?

Did you think God's own spirit was a separate entity from God Himself ? What a bizarre thought. we are told about God and His Spirit and how they relate in a similar way to us in 1 cor 2

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

James 2 says about life and spirit relate with us.
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

So if you think God does not have a spirit then how are we made in His image?

May 2, 2007 at 12:20 am#51183

Oxy

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Quote (Unisage @ May 02 2007,07:33)

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So if Jesus has a divine Spirit and a Human Spirit.When he died where did the Human Spirit Go? Where did the Holy Spirit Go? And where was the Father?

As for His human spirit, where does anyone's human sprit go when they die? But Jesus lives again so I imagine they have been reunited?

The Father remains where the Father is and always was.

Was there a point to this question?

The point is simple what you say dont line up with rest of Scriptures.

Show me a Verse when Jesus died his Human Spirit join with the Divine Spirit.

Why don't you show me where I have EVER said that a human spirit has joined up with a divine spirit.

I think you have confused me with someone else, or you have confused something I've said.

May 2, 2007 at 12:32 am#51186

Unisage

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Quote (Oxy @ May 02 2007,12:20)

Quote (Unisage @ May 02 2007,07:33)

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So if Jesus has a divine Spirit and a Human Spirit.When he died where did the Human Spirit Go? Where did the Holy Spirit Go? And where was the Father?

As for His human spirit, where does anyone's human sprit go when they die? But Jesus lives again so I imagine they have been reunited?

The Father remains where the Father is and always was.

Was there a point to this question?

The point is simple what you say dont line up with rest of Scriptures.

Show me a Verse when Jesus died his Human Spirit join with the Divine Spirit.

Why don't you show me where I have EVER said that a human spirit has joined up with a divine spirit.

I think you have confused me with someone else, or you have confused something I've said.

This is what you quoted

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As for His human spirit, where does anyone's human sprit go when they die? But Jesus lives again so I imagine they have been reunited?

May 2, 2007 at 12:35 am#51188

Worshipping Jesus

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