If the Message translation is acceptable: Yeshua said: Don't run from suffering, rather embrace it; I'll show you how. Yahweh said through Peter: Yeshua suffered physically, so have the same attitude Yeshua had. (the apostles all preached from the Scriptures proving how the Messiah MUST suffer, and should any student expect better treatment…[Read more]

for an understanding more in line with the word usage (like 150 to 1 or so) google:Part 5: Nothing Is Removed In 2 Thessalonians 2:7By Ed Tarkowski

i looked up those last two refs in revelation chptr 6 and 7,nothing in those verses/chapters seems to indicate that those with white robes were ones to repent during the persecution, nor because of it, but rather they died because they held fast to their testimony and the blood of the Lamb –they entered the trib/persecution already righteous by…[Read more]

Two quotes of interest several pages back(passerby?):1″People will still repent during the tribulation so the Spirit of God must still be present and without a moral voice in the world lawlessness will abound like Soddom & Gomorrah and the days of Noah!”?? will they still repent? – let the wicked become more wicked and let the righteous become…[Read more]