Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2011,19:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2011,07:39)because Jesus will be Sovereign King with the Father forever But doesn't “Sovereign” imply the ONE who is HIGHEST of all?That is true. So how do you explain that Jesus is “Sovereign”? You said…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,20:27)My #1 question:1.  Keit…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2011,19:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 11 2011,07:39)Just because you don’t like my answer does not mean it isn’t an answer or it is nonsense does it? Do we have to answer your questions in the way “you would answer it”? Before we can move on do we have to agree with you?We don't have to agree on every interpr…[Read more]

MikeCan you answer these questions now…?Is Jesus the “Author of Eternal Salvation” or not? Is Jesus the Way, the Truth and The Life or not? Is Jesus the “Author and finisher of our faith” or not? Does everything consist by Jesus or not?Did anything come into being without him or not? Is Jesus the “Eternal Life” or not? Is all things upheld by t…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,20:27)Let me briefly address the first one again:  If you understand “shared rule” as in God is KING, and Jesus rules along with his God as PRINCE, then I can agree with this.But the scriptures do not teach that do they? They say that Jesus is sitting in the Throne of God and ruling as God. But some how you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,20:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 10 2011,02:14)Mike, do you understand that right now Jesus is “SOVEREIGN”? Keith, did this question of yours actually ANSWER my question?  NO!  But to answer YOUR question: NO.  Jesus is NOT Sovereign right now.  God is Sovereign, and always has been and always will be.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,20:27)Hi Keith,You did not even answer my #1 question.  You circled all around it with nonsense and untruths.Funny, that’s what we believe you do all the time. You completely skipped over my questions. Just because you don’t like my answer does not mean it isn’t an answer or it is nonsense does it? Do we have t…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2011,19:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 10 2011,03:01)In what sense are you “qualitatively” less human than your human Father?Now ask yourself why Adam is identified as one man, and adam as all men. When you can comprehend that, then you have understood the difference between quality and identity. Then understand how the word…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2011,19:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 10 2011,04:21)MikeNot so. Because Jesus is also man. So only men not angels or any other creature can sit in Jesus throne. Revelations tell us that only Jesus shares Gods throne with the Father. Only God could sit in that throne.Do the scriptures say that anyone but Jesus sits in the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2011,22:09)For US there is one God the Father. We are the US WJ.For you's there is one God the Father, Son, Spirit. Besides that being an oxymoron, you will notice that the latter group is not US.You are welcome to join forces with US. No prejudice.t8And for us “the Word that was with God was God”. John 1:1And for us he is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,22:05)Keith, you may have overlooked these two questions I posted before:1.  Keith, is the Father your ONLY God?Yes, but so is Jesus and the Holy Spirit for they are One.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,22:05)Not the Son.  Not some Father/Son combo.So you say.  Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,22:05)But ONLY the Fa…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2011,19:39)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 10 2011,05:13)Which means that since nothing came into being without Jesus and since the scriptures tell us “what he sees the Father do he does” then that means Jesus is also creator or the God that created the good. Because the Bible tells us that YHVH “alone” and “by himself” created…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2011,18:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:11)t8So satan gets to be a God and Jesus doesn't? You never answered my honest question…Tell us t8, If to you satan is the God of this world then who is Jesus the God of?The Bible does call Jesus God too doesn't it?WJScripture says that Jesus is the son of God and Satan is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Feb. 09 2011,16:09)Hi WJ and KJ,Man i wish i can join you with this debate about “All in all”because based on that premise, thats exactly what the theology i believe in based on those scriptures. God is all in all.  in other words the  God of everything.He said he will be all around you, God of everything around you, the G…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2011,18:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:06)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2011,15:41)Jesus origin is the Father. Satan's origin is himself.t8No satan was created by Jesus. 'nothing came into being without him“!WJWrong.What God created was good.Which means that since nothing came into being without Jesus and since the…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,18:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:11)Tell us t8, If to you satan is the God of this world then who is Jesus the God of?More word games, Keith?What does “God” mean to you in referrence to Satan?  Does 2 Cor 4:4 mean that Satan is the CREATOR of this world………or the RULER of it?No word…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,20:41)[Like t8 has very CLEARLY and LOGICALLY stated, anything you apply to “Equation A” must equally be applied to “Equation B”.  (ie:  Jesus MUST be “God” to sit on the throne of God = Men MUST be “Jesus”, and therefore also “God”, to sit on the throne of Jesus) MikeNot so. Because Jesus is also man. So only m…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,20:14)Now if the previous verses explain that “Christ” is NOT “God Himself”MikeWhich God are you talking about? Are you using the word God here to “identify” the Father? I thought you believed the word “God” does not identify God but only means “Ruler or Leader”?By your statement above I could say you are talking…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,20:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,08:40)1.  Jesus is going to give the Kingdom back to the Father so that he and the Father will share that rule as one and be all in all. 2.  Jesus is currently “all in all” and all is in his hands.Hi Keith,Both of the above statements you made are unscriptural and nonse…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 09 2011,10:42)Keith said:Quote Jesus is going to give the Kingdom back to the Father so that he and the Father will share that rule as one and be all in all.Keith,Exactly bro! Jesus is to deliver the kingdom to His Father WILLINGLY. It has to be WILLINGLY because He PURCHASED the kingdom with His own blood. The kingdom…[Read more]

Hi t8I didn't think you would answer but I will give it another try.In what sense is Jesus “qualitatively” less in nature than the Father?Here is another one…In what sense are you “qualitatively” less human than your human Father?Its the simple things of God that confounds the wise, even Jesus said you must become as little children to be in…[Read more]