Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,23:01)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 23 2011,09:41)I had asked WJ once if and they do believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, then He must be the Father of Jesus.Wonderful point, Irene!  Hey MikeSince you and Irene believe that the Holy Spirit is a “power” or a “force” and not a person then that must mean that to you guys…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,20:38)3.  Failed to answer a direct question that was related to the topic at handAccording to Dr Mantey is “a god” a grammatically permissible translation? You didn't answer the question.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,20:10)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 23 2011,15:55)Seriously though I am tired of discoursing with Mike and so I have chosen to root you on instead.Your arguments in favor of a triune God are usually idiotic, nonsensical, and rarely exceed a third grade academic level.JackCan you see the arrogance of this guy? We…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 24 2011,10:25)Mike said to kathi:Quote Okay, there's some headway.  And since “God” is generally used as another name for Jehovah, as in, “God is love”, let's change our Adam/Cain version of 1:1 just a little bit more:”In the beginning was Cain, and Cain was with Adam, and Cain was Adam.”This doesn't work Mike…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,21:03)Anyway, you haven't posted the actual words from his book about John 1:1.  Do that, and then ask the question.  Because he's definitely not telling the JW's it's IMPOSSIBLE, and apparently his book said something they liked in the first place.  MikeThe words I posted were his actual words.If to him it is no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,21:03)As for your scholary quote, you have quoted what this man has said to the Watchtower, not what his book on Greek grammar said.  Apparently, what his book says was good enough for the JW's to say, “SEE?  This Greek scholar admits “a god” is grammatically possible”.  And he is telling them that he wasn't im…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,21:03)Keith, Keith, Keith,You are so precious.  First, you ask a question yesterday.  I say, “Show me the source”.  Then you post the source only today, and before I've even logged on to HN, you're bullying me for an answer!    Give me a chance to read your first post before you go off on a tangent, okay?  [Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2011,03:49)WJ, it is neither.John 1:1c does not have a definite article before the last mention of theos.Both your options have the definite article.You capitalised “God” in the second option. Scholars captilise rather than use the definite article in such instances. Your first example is capitalised and so is your second.So…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2011,00:17)Quote “In the beginning was Cain, and Cain was with Adam, and Cain was Adam.”Uggg! Is this going to go on and on because this is not a perfect comparison because the word 'adam' is not the english word for man and this sentence is an English translation, also, the word 'man' when changed to 'Man' doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,22:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,01:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,09:32)Mike, The verse includes 1:1b with 1:1c to make that distinction.If we changed the word 'God' to man it would read:In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the man, and the word was man.  You don't need an 'a' or a…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 23 2011,22:01)Hi WJ,Quote Look around Mike…Greek grammar doesn't include . WJ   What was the debate-based reason for this post? The reason I ask is that it has been shown in these threads that this is true and that the insertion of the 'a' in the translation process is up to the translators discernment. It seems to my…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,19:07)I have THREE of them with loads and loads of accolades and professorships and awards, and who have all been published because of their expertise in the Koine Greek language, saying it IS grammatically possible.Really? You are not being deceptive again are you Mike?Show me where you have “Three” that use the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:41)When you find one that strictly prohibits the “a god” based on NOTHING EXCEPT Greek and English grammar, let me know. Look around Mike…Greek grammar doesn't include . WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:41)My facts are straight.  It is YOU who needs to get yourself aligned with the undeniable truth of the matter.  Or not.  It's really up to you.Ha Ha MikeIs your scholar better than mine? I have given you facts that a scholar disagrees with yours, but what is so bad is how you keep holding on when “ALL” of th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,17:25)The point is just because the Father is in Jesus doesn't mean Jesus is not God no more than Jesus being in the Father means the Father is not God.And does it mean Jesus IS God?  If so, then we are all God too.Watch that straw man blow down…Is “ALL” of God in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,09:35)This one is where you are deceiving and misleading.It is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in us and WE in THEM.It is THEM and US Mike,Does the “THEM” include the Father?  Yes?  Okay then, the Father is also in US.  Does that make US God?mikeWhat is your po…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,17:58)Ja, so god has a literal right hand?so God who is spirit and everywhere that no Man can see, has a right side?thats such a bogus claimDennisonCarnal unregenerate men have not figured out that God is a “Spirit being” who has given us “metaphors” to make sense of his nature and attributes, so we can relate…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 23 2011,15:38)JustAskin would also like to say:Quote:WJ,Quote Is the son of a queen – a queen?WJ,Quote Where in Scriptures does it say that Jesus sits ON his fathers throne? Surely, it says : 'At his right hand side'and 'At the right hand OF the throne of God' (note: Jesus and God are expressed as two separate persons! If…[Read more]

Thanks JackWe should root each other on to know the tuth.  WJ

Good stuff Jack.David doesn't come around as much since I had that long debate with him about the Coptic and proved that his argument was ambiguous. But you have found some new evidence that I had not seen. Thanks! WJ