Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,23:14)All those bolded “mightys” are the word “elohim”.And that is why those scriptures were translated “Mighty” princes because they were not “mighty” gods.  When are you going to get it Mike?The word “elohim” can be translated as “rulers, judges, men, god or God” etc., but not all judges, rulers, men, or God,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,07:38)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,05:11)Can God give you a high five like a brother?An infinite God can do whatever he wants!WJGod CANNOT lie.God is not a man.God is invisible.So any god that can high five you cannot be the invisible God of whom Jesus is the visible image of.Any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,20:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,14:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2011,22:19)Now…………WHERE'S THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS WE CAN BE BROTHERS OF GOD?Define what a brother is Mike!Where is the scripture that says someone can be our brother who is not human?WJI would say two of the same Father.  Now if…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:43)God doesn't procreate! That is not a scriptural teaching but rather comes straight out of Greek Mythology, God literraly begetting gods!Procreate means to bring forth offspring.  God most definitely DID procreate, for He brought forth a Son for Himself.It might…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,19:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,17:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:49)You take that true relationship away and you have not a literal son but a figurative son.  I believe the true relationship of Father/Son is monumental and a central teaching of the gospels.Hi KathiSo what you are saying is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,18:20)Yes Keith, I disagree with that.  It was the power that is linked to the resurrection, not the Sonship.Also, I disagree…and so do other church fathers, btw, about those who believe that the Son did not become the Son till after creation, so do the main Christian creeds.  I even once showed you a council t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:39)Do you have a scripture that says Jesus was “concieved” at all before he came in the flesh?Yeah,Psalm 2:7, as supported by John 3:16.  Jesus was already God's only begotten Son when he was originally SENT into the world.Now, WHO'S only begotten Son is Jesus?…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,21:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2011,09:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,22:18)OH…………….THAT'S RIGHT!  We're talking about GENE!  He has the same comprehension problems when it comes to scripture, too.  MikeI don't agree with Gene in most things and he ticks me off at times.But you are a so…[Read more]

t8If you want to look at the “exact image” of anything you look at the source of the “Image”. If the “Image” is different than the source in any way then it is not the “exact Image” of the source is it?You see a difference in the source t8. So your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible.We reflect the “Image of God” t8, and who is that “Image”?WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:49)You take that true relationship away and you have not a literal son but a figurative son.  I believe the true relationship of Father/Son is monumental and a central teaching of the gospels.Hi KathiSo what you are saying is unless one is “a literal son” then one can not be a true Son? Where are the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:49)I believe that Jesus is fully God because He is the son and fully man.KathiThis is where I have a problem with your theology. You are  implying that Jesus “became” fully God when he came into existence as the Son.Who in the world can believe that a being that was born or created could “become”  inf…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:55)Keith,Also, Jack believes that the Son had a beginning because there was a time when He was not the Son.  I think he believes that the Word didn't have a beginning, but as the Son, the Son had a beginning.  From what I can tell anyway.  You do have different Jesus' because His Jesus wasn't a Son till the re…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,16:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,02:15)That is why Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen God. If you do not see Jesus as God then how can you say the Jesus you see is 'the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being” or the image of the invisible God? Your image of God is not…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:12)Jack,Do you think that Jesus was as powerful before the resurrection as He was after the decree?Sorry, didn't mean to sound patronizing.  I do think that it is strange how you and Keith come off as one trinitarian voice when you understand a different Jesus than he does.KathiNo we don't believe in different…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2011,19:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2011,02:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,20:38)3.  Failed to answer a direct question that was related to the topic at handAccording to Dr Mantey is “a god” a grammatically permissible translation? You didn't answer the question.WJKJ, adding a trinity of emoticons doesn't some…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2011,20:16)Not only that, but I've answered the question……….twice now.mikeMikeHave you actually said “NO”, because if you have then I sure haven't seen it. According to Dr Mantey it is not “grammatically permissable” to translate John 1:1c as “a god”.Do you agree with his conclusion Mike? Yes or No?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2011,22:19)Now…………WHERE'S THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS WE CAN BE BROTHERS OF GOD?Define what a brother is Mike!Where is the scripture that says someone can be our brother who is not human?WJ

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,05:11)Can God give you a high five like a brother?An infinite God can do whatever he wants!WJ

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2011,03:30)Quote (Baker @ Mar. 25 2011,12:22)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2011,16:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,10:56)What did the ante-nicene church fathers say about the Son as the firstborn of/over all creation?  Do they indicate that the Son was the first to come forth from God and then through Him all things came into…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 24 2011,17:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2011,08:07)Okay.Do those scriptures to you mean he was born or created?WJWJ  The scriptures I gave say that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.  But He also was born as a Human by Maria, you know right?  So why even ask a question like that???…Peace and love IreneSo he wa…[Read more]