Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:39)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:09)And this is not all, but there is another remark to make: that if you say, “Because it is said ‘One God,’ therefore the word God doth not apply to the Son;” observe that the same holds of the Son also. For the Son also is call…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:32)Jack,If it means that He was eternally begotten meaning there was never a time when He was not begotten, then I agree, that doesn't make sense.KathiUnless you are looking at it from Gods perspective out side of time.God sees the beginning and the end and he calls things that are not as though they were. If…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 30 2011,17:20)Kathi wrote:Quote Are you aware that I do not say “before He was begotten He was not” also?Kathi,But do you say the first 'anathema' in the Nicene Creed? It says, 'there was when he was not,'Quote If anyone will not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, that which is before all ages from the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:09)And this is not all, but there is another remark to make: that if you say, “Because it is said ‘One God,’ therefore the word God doth not apply to the Son;” observe that the same holds of the Son also. For the Son also is called “One Lord,” yet we do not maintain that therefore the term Lord applies to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,17:06)Keith,My son didn't become my son at the time he was begotten…he already was my son before he was begotten.  The Son of God was the Son before He was begotten…He always existed as the Son but didn't always exist before the ages as the begotten Son.  He wasn't begotten till “Let there be light.” That is m…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 29 2011,19:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,06:05)t8Yes I have had a landlord,As you have said. Jesus being lord has not negated that you had a landlord who is also a lord, but not Lord of all.There is something in that for you of you wish to see it.T8Do you call anyone your “Lord”?Did the followers of Jesus call anyone…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2011,21:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,13:05)But you believe there are many gods don't you t8?”THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE!”. Those are Pauls words BTW.How can that ONE and ONLY God be “The God of gods” if there are no others?  How can His first commandment be to place none of the other gods before Him if ther…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2011,21:02)Hi Keith,Do you believe that the sonship is just an 'office' given to the 'Word?' Or do you believe it is a relationship that the Father/Son have before the ages.  If the 'Word' being a Son is just an office then it would seem that the 'first person of the trinity' is only holding an office as Father and not…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 30 2011,08:05)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2011,20:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,09:07)So God's Word died. Questionable hypothosis.Not just “God's word” – The word that was God died. impossible hypothesis.True.That is the logic behind their attack of the “Trinity” doctrine. Jesus could not be God because God cannot…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,17:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,07:21)Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,10:34)Have you been to the CARM board yet WJ?Much worse. Mike is showing frustration, not animus. (IMO)Hi PaladinAnimus; “a usually prejudiced and often spiteful or malevolent ill will”, HMMM? Yes, today I went to the Carm sight.Sorry to…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 29 2011,12:36)Keith said to Mike:Quote God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little god” that we serve and bow down too that we call our god but he is not the “True god” because we only serve “one…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,18:05)WJ.You can't wiggle away from the fact that an image is not the source. No matter how identical or the same the image is, its irrelevant in this sense.Ha Ha!And you can't argue that the source cannot exist without an image! Doesn't God have a “form” t8? Remember?If Jesus is not God and we are being made into his…[Read more]

Hi t8Like I said, I wasn't the one crying about others not answering questions. I merely have pointed out that you guys accuse others for not doing what you do not do yourselves.WJ

Hi t8Like I said, I wasn't the one crying about others not answering questions. I merely have pointed out that you guys accuse others for not doing what you do not do yourselves.WJ

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:54)BUMP for WJ.He complained in the Hot Seat forum that I was being hypocritical for not answering all his questions.I said that I am very happy to answer any of his questions and that he should highlight any I may have missed answering.While he brought this up, I thought he should be reminded of this debate that is…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,10:34)Have you been to the CARM board yet WJ?Much worse. Mike is showing frustration, not animus. (IMO)Hi PaladinAnimus; “a usually prejudiced and often spiteful or malevolent ill will”, HMMM? Yes, today I went to the Carm sight.Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Of course there are 2 sides to everything.Blessings Keith

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,20:45)This was his post:Quote NoIt points out the 'hypocrosy” of those who claim they answer all questions when they don't themselves. .That would include you t8 for not answering questions after scolding others for not doing so.WJSo WJ, you are indeed accountable to your same measure.Sure I am and in my time I will…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2011,15:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,07:11)Really MikeSo then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE”.. For even if “THERE ARE SO CALLED GODS”, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),What…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:42)Feel free of course to highlight any questions I have missed so far. I have no problem answering your questions.Really?We will see.  WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,16:08)Keith,Do you think that God, the unbegotten is the same one as God, the begotten?  If not, then you have two.  The oneness is in their essence and how they act as one mind.Hi KathiThat is not at all what your source is saying is it?The Father, Son and Holy Spirit according to the scriptures and the F…[Read more]