Quote Heb 1.6 and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them bow before him–all messengers of God;' Would these be the same messengers (or what some call angels) that ministered to him at the MountMar 1:13  and he was there in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by the Adversary, and he was with the…[Read more]

Quote Hi Kenrch!Amen very sound!In fact because the Word created **everything** including Michael, then by this we know that he didn’t have a beginning! Unless he created himself!Hi Kenrch!Maybe I should make it a little plainer.In fact because God created through the Word **everything** including Michael, then by this we know that the Word did n…[Read more]

Quote The Greek word arche properly means “origin” or “ruler/chief”, not “start”……G746archēFrom G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): – beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.The Abridged Liddell-Scott…[Read more]

Quote All this about Michael being Jesus.  Michael could not have been Jesus because there was only the Word.  The Word was the beginning of God's creation.  The Word created everything including Michael the Archangel.  That was the Word then in heaven.  Then Word became flesh (Jesus)and dwelt among us (John1:1). “Any one that says Jesus has not…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,If your God has three parts which part was the father of Jesus? The Holy Ghost! Exactly my point Nick! The Holy Ghost and God are the Same!Later!

Quote Hi WJ, How do you explain that: Aaron and Joshua called Moses “Lord” Rebecca called the Servant of Abraham “Lord.”Jacob many times called Esau “Lord.”Sarah certainly called Abraham “Lord.” Joseph was called “Lord” by his brothers… and that's just in Genesis. Num 11:28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, of his young men,…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,It is not us who calls Jesus another deity.If you have found an apparent contradiction then how are you going to resolve it without adding speculation to scripture? Such popular speculations include the theory that Jesus is not the Son of God but God Himself but such additions are anathema.Human logic is little value in finding the…[Read more]

Quote So having identified that these verses speak of the Son of God we have no right to derive from that fact that the Son of God must be his own father as well surely? The Father and the Son are One! God in the Flesh!

Quote Hi w,Before we dare to judge what God WOULD say we should look at what he DOES say. Let's start from truth before venturing into speculation.Heb 1″ 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. “which quotes Ps 97” 7Let all those be ashamed who serve graven images,…[Read more]

Quote Hi,Trinitarians are so terrified of being labelled polytheists that whenever they see divinity ascribed to a being such as the Word they abandon ship and declare that such a being is part of our God. Out the window goes the proven truth that Jesus is the Son of God and instead it becomes only a label for a personality in God.But when men and…[Read more]

Quote Hi w,So let me see.God commands the angels to worship Jesus and you claim greater authority??Where is the scriptural evidence that God commanded angels to never worship the Son of God? Are you not applying rules made for men to angels? Hey Nick!Would God violate his own word when he says that you are to Worship God and him ONLY and yet tell…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,And the angels do worship him as they ought.He was made less than the angels but prophecy showed they would worship him. If the Angels of God worship anything or anyone other than God then the scriptures are broken.Plain and simple!

Quote Hi W,Indeed all the angels of God worship at the feet of the gloriified Son of God and they serve us to who are in him.Heb 1″ 13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of…[Read more]

Quote Hi sscott,Trinitarians confuse teaching with observed behaviours and make them equivalent. The teacher never told us to worship himself and neither did the prophets or apostles. Indeed we bow or prostate ourselves humbly before our Lord Jesus. If we think that is worship, then we do not understand how to worship our God. Lies!Heb 1:6 6 And…[Read more]

Quote Show me a scripture that says that Michael the Archangel had a beginning? What about Gabriel? If Jesus never had a beginning, then we could only believe that if scripture stated that he never had a beginning. We know this to be true of God because it says so.But most certainly so we know that the Word was with God in the beginning. The…[Read more]

Quote So the context of the begettal of Christ does not seem to be significant in ps 2 timewise, but rather it is a warning that from the moment of that begettal the kingdom was promised to the Son, so such rebellion is truly futile. Hey Nick! Human logic again! You say it does not seem!You are so contentious!

Quote Hi W,Ps 2″1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them…[Read more]

Quote WorshippingJesus,How does this verse that Nick posted fit with the Trinity doctrine? Hey SScott!Good question! Of course I have challenged them to show me just one scripture where when Jesus is being worshipped,which happens many times where Jesus discouraged it or pointed them to the Father.Why did not Jesus knowing the Commandment “thou…[Read more]

Quote Hi W,Ps 2″ 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. “and in context quoted in Heb 15For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6And again, when he bringeth in…[Read more]

Quote The Son of God became also Son of man. If he did not partake of Adam's estate through Mary then he was not truly one of us, and we cannot follow him. Of course he took on human Flesh! The Word was Made flesh! The flesh came into existence form the Word.Through Mary yes he was a man! But his blood line was from God else he could not be the…[Read more]