Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,20:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,10:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Keith actually hit the nail right on the nose when he said:Quote God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,17:20)Logic tells us that He beget another like Himself.  I have seen you argue that point…like begets like…God begets God. Why do you deny it now?I don't. I only use that logic for those who say God brings literral birth to a Son to show them if it was so then he would have to be equally God in nature.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,17:20)You limit God.No you limit God because you say he can reproduce himself meaning he can become greater than infinite.An infinite God brings birth to an infinite God meaning we now have 2 infinite Gods making God doubly infinite. Nah, I don't buy it Kathi and neither do the Forefathers who said it is anathema to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,15:39)    I believe I have the early church father's on my side as far as the translation of monogenes in John 1:18.  It is an adjective WITH a verb…an action.KathiYes and it is never used of Jesus until he came in the flesh. The proof is if John believed what you did about the word then he would have put it in Jo…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,16:03)Jack,The resurrection showed that Jesus was not only 100% man but fully God too.  The resurrection proved that God beget Him as His Son before creation.  He was fully God before He became flesh.  Look at the order of events here:KathiIf he was fully God before He became flesh then he never had a be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,15:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,14:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,14:27)Jack and Keith read the scripture again:NLT Heb 5:5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,16:18)Keith,My son was a person before he was born/begotten from me…the Son of God was a person before He was born/begotten from His Father.  When I was expecting my son to be born/begotten, I was driving alone in my car although he was inside of me, I was still considered alone, I couldn't drive in the carpool…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,14:38)Mike,To be begotten as an offspring is one who was within the parent before the begetting.  His begetting was a beginning of sorts for the Son as a separate person.  When I begat/gave birth to my son, that is when he began his life as his own person, distinct from me, although he existed as my son a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,14:27)Jack and Keith read the scripture again:NLT Heb 5:5That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”…but Christ did not take this high and honourable office to himself, nor the glory…[Read more]

t8I have recorded your words so like I said…We will see!  WJ

JackCorrect! Jesus could not still be the Jesus that hung on the cross because that Jesus was human and it is through the cross that the Gospel is preached. Paul even said he was determined to “only” preach Jesus Christ and him crucified.Not to mention the Throne of David was to belong to one of his sons after the flesh. If Jesus no longer has the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 31 2011,13:56)The Eternal Word became Son-King-High Priest all ON THE SAME DAY!JackExcellante'!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,22:06)Keith, thank you for your honest and direct reply.  This thread has served its purpose.  As for your question, I believe Pierre has answered it with scriptures.  All you need to do is add to his scriptures, the scriptures that clearly teach us Jesus is not a human anymore.MikeNo, the scriptures Peirre qu…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2011,00:27)Worshipping Jesus,You wrote to T8:Quote t8You are right, God cannot lie and the scriptures tell us that the “Word who was God” came in the likeness of sinful flesh.He is Emmanuel which means he is God with us, but you keep saying he is not God with us.You think God cannot be seen, isn't that right?WJ God does not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,20:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,15:00)Sure, and what do we find in those verses are the Father and Jesus are the One God and One Lord both sharing divine attributes.Really?  Show me ALL of those scriptures that teach us that Jesus and the Father are the One God.  One at a time please.In fact, I'll s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Claim:  God brought Jesus forth.First scripture:  Psalm 2:7″I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.mikeMikeRead it in its context…Yet have “I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Tho…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2011,04:12)JA would like to say; “John 1:1 says,'In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God'.Since we know that Jesus 'was' the Word AND John mentions neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, please can you show how it came about that the Father is claimed to be God and the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,16:29)Only One translation renders John 1:18 as “a begotten God”.And one that renders it as “only begotten god”.  (NWT)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Keith actually hit the nail right on the nose when he said:Quote God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little god” that we serve and bow down too that we call our god but he is not the “True…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2011,05:01)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 30 2011,22:49)Gene said:Quote God's Word always existed with GOD and never died brother.But death does not mean “to cease to exist.” Jesus likened His death and resurrection to Jonah's being in the belly of the whale. Er uh…Jonah was in the whale's belly ALIVE dude!As Jonah was…[Read more]