Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,16:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2011,00:37)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:05)I like the KJV better which better presents my point14And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.Clearly these two things are not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,22:44)5For though there be that are called quarterbacks, whether in the NFC or in the AFC, (as there be quarterbacks many, and wide receivers many,) 6But to us in Arizona, there is but one Quarterback, Kurt Warner, and one wide receiver, Larry Fitzgerald.Keith, am I saying that there are no other quarterbacks at…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,22:44)I notice t8 is trying to get through to you using “landlord”.MikeYes and t8 does not call his landlord “his lord” or “his god” does he?Therfore to t8 he has only “One lord” I would hope!You and t8 are denying this to promote that the Bible is a book of gods or Polytheism.WJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,12:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,22:44)MikeThere is no need to start anymore threads.We can just go over one of your proof text, 1 Cor 8:4-6 if you want.My first 2 questions for you are…“Is Jesus your “Only kurious” (One lord)?”“Is the Father your “Only theos” (One god)?”WJHi Keith,The answer to both…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,00:12)Of course you like the KJV.  They doctored the verse to change the meaning by adding their own word “even”, that is not in the Greek text.  Let's keep it without “even”, since “even” isn't in the original, okay?  You welcomed me as if I were a billionaire, as if I were Bill Gates himself.Dennison, does th…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,00:05)I like the KJV better which better presents my point14And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.Clearly these two things are not the same. Consider Matthew 10:40The Point is that Jesus is not a Angelic Being.Paul was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,22:51)Galatians 4:14Even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.Here's the first one………..any questions?mikeMikeThe words “you welcomed me AS IF I were an Angel…”.AS IF is not…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2011,22:24)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,21:12)Hi All,Mikeboll64 (Mikey old person) believes Jesus is god the Angel, however he does not believe in the Trinity Doctrine.  This is because he believes Jesus to be an Angel.I was hoping he could show some scriptural support of this theory, one scripture at a time,…[Read more]

Bump Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And the blessed John, in the testimony of his Gospel, gives us an account of this economy (disposition) and acknowledges this Word as God, when he says, “In the beginning was the…[Read more]

Bump this one…Tertullian: Against Praxeashttp://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.xii.html” because already there was attached to Him his Son, a second person, his own Word, and a third, the Spirit in the Word….one substance in three coherent persons. He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.”There is the “One being” and not the…[Read more]

Bump this one…Clement of Alexandria: Fragments Part 1http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iv.ix.html“There was; then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; as also the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equality of substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreate.” No beginning found there.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,12:47)Keith,I knew it wouldn't be lomg before I had to repost this to you…I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit.  However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages.  Now, I t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2011,11:46)…but because he was then manifested to be “THE ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD”; things are said to be, when they are only manifested to be; so Christ is said to be that day begotten, because he was “declared to be the Son of God with power, by the resurrection from the dead”, Romans 1:4KathiHe disagrees wit…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 01 2011,10:50)The fact you disagree does not mean I have not responded.Boy does that sound familiar!  WJ

Quote (david @ April 01 2011,02:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2011,08:38)Good stuff Jack.David doesn't come around as much since I had that long debate with him about the Coptic and proved that his argument was ambiguous. But you have found some new evidence that I had not seen. Thanks! WJWhy is it that people always ascribe my absence to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,20:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,10:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Keith actually hit the nail right on the nose when he said:Quote God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,21:36)Mike,Good point there.  Don't you think that it would be a lot easier if Keith and Jack agreed with the creeds say about when He was begotten especially since they both claim to be trinitarians and the creeds are foundational to that doctrine.  I wish they were orthodox trinitarians instead of orthodox e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,20:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,16:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,15:39)    I believe I have the early church father's on my side as far as the translation of monogenes in John 1:18.  It is an adjective WITH a verb…an action.KathiYes and it is never used of Jesus until he came in the fl…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,20:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,15:51)Yes KathiBut also in the context of Psalms he is set on the Holy Hill mount Zion when the Father declared “this day” he would be his Son.Hi Keith,Like Jack, you are imagining “links” that aren't even implied, let alone clearly stated.  First of all, there is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2011,20:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,11:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Claim:  God brought Jesus forth.First scripture:  Psalm 2:7″I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.mikeMikeRead it in its context…Yet have “I set my king upo…[Read more]