Quote Hi W,Trinity is not our God.It is not of the Scriptures.It is thus not of faith.Whatever is not of faith is of sin.Such worship then scripturally is idolatry. NHIs the Father you God?Is Jesus your Lord and master?Is the Spirit of God, God?

Quote I am sorry I wasn't clear I do not agree with the higher critics but I was posting their positions. The sources to the higher critics should be there.These studies are my position. Mercy I mean where did you get these posts?

Quote Hi W,The one true God is the Father.You have apparently arbitrarily given a “deity” status to one other being that is referred to in scripture as a god and then decided that such is sufficient proof to state God is a trinity.That is very shallow exegesis.Are judges, angels and satan all false gods and if so do you judge the Spirit for…[Read more]

Quote However, if we accept the rendering of Deuteronomy 32:8 found in the Septuagint and the Hebrew copies of Deuteronomy from Qumran (which is supported by the testimony of the Book of Jasher), we face the same dilemma that the Jewish scribes later faced. Did the Hebrew Scriptures at one time suggest polytheism in the religion delivered to the…[Read more]

Quote So much scriptural evidence that you will have to keep saying over and over, “Well, I know the scriptures say that, but what it really means is .”Mercy Then why dont you insert your belief and see if it differs!Let me know your interpretation!

Quote Hi W,The traditional defence of trinity belief-the fear of polytheism-but it is an empty sham as it is you who promotes other deities. NH So you dont believe the Father or John 1:1 then do you?Maybe Eusibus had a copy of Johns writings and it wasnt there?

Quote All other so called Gods are false. Above should be enough.Why take the word Eloyhim and try to change the harmony of the scriptures, when this word can be used for rulers, Judges, Angels, and many other appalations.You say “all other God's are false.”  A second later, you say: “this wrod can be used for …angels.”Since angels can be…[Read more]

David, Mercy. and NH.Maybe you guys should get together and write your own Bible, or you could just use the NWT.Because apparantly you do not accept all of the scriptures.There is One true God! All other so called Gods if they are worshipped or acknowledged as Gods are false.David, if you acknowedge a True Angel from God as a God, then you committ…[Read more]

Quote Col. 1:15, 16, RS: “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth.”DavidThe word for “Firstborn” is  prototokos wich comes from the root word protos, which means;1) first in time or placea) in any succession of things or persons2) first in rank…[Read more]

Quote The bible says that Jesus is an angel. It's just that you interpret the very same verses differently. We share the same text, just not the same interpretation. Perhaps, you can explain why the early church fathers agree with me.Here is an excellent study on the issue:MercyEspecially this One!Exod 23:13And in all that I have said unto you be…[Read more]

Quote Hi Mercy,If Jesus is an angel where is this written?If Jesus is the chief angel where is this written?If Jesus is “I Am Who Am” then where is this written?If I gave you my name would you become me? NHWelcome back!Hope you are well.

Mercy and David!”Polytheism”Belief in several deities: the worship of or belief in more than one deity, especially several deities.So tell me. Do you believe these scriptures?Deut 5:7Thou shalt have none other gods before me.Exod 23:13And in all that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let…[Read more]

Quote These are good questions.  I have asked them before.  I didn't really get a responce.On the first page of this thread, WJ makes that point that those who believed those things weren't really disciples if they didn't believe what John wrote, and then quotes the controversial John 1:1.  But of course, as Mercy adds, those who were closer to Jo…[Read more]

Quote God is the only being who always existed.Jesus and the other sons of God were created.God appointed his sons as gods. God then gave the whole earth to his firstborn son Jesus.Jesus is not equal to the Father but second.The Holy Spirit is not a seperate person. Rather the spirit of the invisible God that moves and opporates with power…[Read more]

Quote The confusion comes from the fact that Jesus is God. People assume that they understand what Jewish Monotheism was. The Most High God (El) had sons. Jesus is one of them. God them declared them gods.Jesus the firstborn and preeminent son came as messiah and inherited the whole earth. No longer just israel. The other sons of God (the powers,…[Read more]

MercyPolycarpSaint Polycarp of Smyrna (martyred in his 87th year, ca. 155–167) was a Christian bishop of Smyrna (now İzmir in Turkey) in the second century. He died a martyr when he was stabbed after an attempt to burn him at the stake failed. Polycarp is recognized as a saint in both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. It is r…[Read more]

Quote It really is no use. sighIf you want me to go back and forth with scripture I will.Can you at least acknowledge that it is possible for two people to have different interpretations when reading the exact same verse?If you can, then, my premise is that Polycarp is in a far better position to claim to have the proper understanding. As for me…[Read more]

Quote You Said:Disciples of John? LOL. John in his own writings is the biggest supporter of the trinitarian view.And after saying that it doesn't give you the slightest pause?  Not even for a moment? “Hey what if I am not interpretating the scripture accurately?”Polycarp was an overseer at Smyrna.  We have testimony from Jesus himself that P…[Read more]

Quote Polycarp vs. 21st Century Joe TrinitarianPolycarps Credentials:1. Disciple of John the Apostle2. Received many oral and written teachings3. A second generation christian message very new.4. All the other second generation fathers agree with his view of Christ.5. Supports all his teachings from scriptures.21st Century Joe Trinitarian…[Read more]

Quote Praise God I think that it is wonderful that people are getting saved if they are really saved.  Many come in Jesus' name and mislead many (Mat. 24:5).  Also the path of righteousness is narrow and few are they that find it. It has been my experience that some Christians are worse than some heathens I know.  A walk to the alter and even ge…[Read more]