Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2011,11:19)Hi Keith,I thought that you did and yes, I know that you disagree with them, so do I.  I don't think Mike saw the post where you admitted that according to the scholars' quote, they said that it was grammatically possible.  Mike just missed that, I guess.  It is not hard to miss a post when there are so ma…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2011,01:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2011,12:32)Really, then what does the “beginning” in verse 1 and 2 of John 1:1 mean if it does not mean before time?What does “beginning” mean in Gen 1:1?  It says the earth was created, as in past tense, in the beginning.  mikeYes and Jesus was already there in the b…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 04 2011,10:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 05 2011,01:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17)Mike,I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on.KathiKathiI did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible.But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,19:49)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,16:10)Uh oh Keith. Mike said you had to answer “honestly” which means you should have answered “No.” So if his daddy t8 gives him what he wants you'll get tiled.My heart cries for you both.  I feel sorry for you that Satan has such a hold over you.  Here we can see t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2011,20:17)Mike,I thought that Keith said 'yes' to that later on.KathiKathiI did say YES “to those scholars” it is grammatically possible.But my answer is still “NO” because other scholars disagree and the final conclusion was they all translated John 1:1c without the .Mike should appologize for insinuating I am…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,17:10)Mike said to Keith:Quote Keith, this will be my first question to you in the “Final Showdown” category if you don't answer it DIRECTLY and HONESTLY right now:Keith, does Paul say our “one God” is Jesus, or any combination of Jesus and others?  YES or NO? Keith replied:Quote Yes!Uh oh Keith. Mike said…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,17:06)How can Mike say that Christ is literally 'begotten' and be an angel if the Father who begat Him is not an angel?OMG I hadn't thought of that, I think you just check mated Mike. You are correct. If Jesus is the “exact representation of his being, essence or nature” then the Father would have to be an…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 01 2011,20:33)However, if I give you proof that a son of God is called by the title malak/angel/messenger will you admit that it is possible then?t8If you are talking about JTB then that won't do because we know that John was not an angel but was a man. Besides the Greek word for angel in the NT is always about angels except one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,22:34)Paul calls him an angel in Gal 4:14,…mikeNo it doesn't!It mentions an angel of God and Jesus. The text in no way says Jesus is an angel.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,22:34)and asks which one of the angels God called His begotten Son in Hebrews 1.  Well D?  Which one of the angels DID God call his b…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 01 2011,20:47)So the word angel though it means messenger is not always in reference to only a messenger but to identify a certain race.Hi DennisonExacty! Mike doesn't get that. He thinks that words have only one application or meaning, well that is he thinks that Hebrew and Greek words have the same meaning when he…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,14:17)Keith,Did you notice that the votes are now 6-3 in our favor? JackYesPeople can see through this “Hitler” attempt at silencing others and forcing them to speak or not to speak.But like I said to Mike, bring it on. We can go into their arena and fight by their rules. Afraid?  WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,11:36)Besides, a slander implies speaking FALSELY about someone else.  I didn't do that, as you will soon find out if t8 implements the “Final Showdown” category.  Really Mike? Then what is this that you said to me if it is not slander?….Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,12:46)“You, on the other hand are a c…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 29 2011,10:53)WJ you are not a liar,….just a fallable man as myself,trying to ferrot out the truth amongst fiction and misinformation..Thanks TheodoreHopefully Mike will see from someone like yourself that is not a Trinitarian and are on the outside of these debates that his calling me a liar is not only wrong but should…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,11:36)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,10:17)The irony is that the moderator claims that he worships the true God but then slanders a man made in God's image.Thank God you've never slandered anyone on this site, Jack!       Besides, a slander implies speaking FALSELY about someone else.  I didn't do tha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,10:49)[With the "a god" discussion, you may have had a million times more information to support YOUR preferred translation, but you were cutting my legs out from under me before the discssion even began………….WITH A LIE.mikeWho are you accusing of lying? WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,10:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2011,09:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,10:43)If nothing else, do it just because of the fear it has immediately raised in Jack and Keith!     I've never seen these guys this scared before.  And why, because they'll have to answer our questions?  What does that tel…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,12:26)I don't know if he was begotten before time or not, but I don't really care because I'm quite confident that the abstract notion of “time” was not what John implied when he said “nothing” came into being without himReally, then what does the “beginning” in verse 1 and 2 of John 1:1 mean if it does not mean…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,12:26)Why have YOU not responded to that?  Because that shows Jesus had the glory mentioned in 1:14 way before he was raised from the dead.What is to address Mike?My point is the Word Monogenes was not applied to Jesus until after he came in the flesh, and you proved that because he first showed forth his Glory…[Read more]

Hi AllMike says…”You, on the other hand are a coward———->How stupid, man.  It says alot about you and what your goals are———->  COWARD.“Is this kind of slander allowed for a moderator or any one for that matter?What gives? Are we now going to be forced to level debate against someone who disagrees on a particular point? “What kind o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2011,12:40)What a “Richard” you are, Keith.  You are in a thread where we are discussing whether or not Jesus IS the Father Himself, and you have to start in with ME and start listing diversions to points that haven't even been discussed in this thread?  What a coward.  Take on D for his unscriptural belief for on…[Read more]