Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2011,21:39)I personally love Princess. So please all, leave her alone. Shes done nothing wrong and neither have I and neither has Sophia.Just in case you are wondering, Sophia was not me, so how about we all just drop this, because i can see this is going to get nasty, unless we all just move on.There is more to worry…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ April 07 2011,20:24)WJ, I understand that you must combine to create one, however, you too are wrong. Perhaps, you and lu are guilty of something you would like to admit, since you two are so quick to judge. tis your own.PrincessPlease learn to read and comprehend.I never accused her of being anyone.I asked the question so why…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,16:30)Two Gods that are consubstantial.  One from the other…God from God…one being from the other.  That is what consubstantial is.It is all about context.  The two are of one nature.  It's the Father's being that the Son is of, and each are distinct beings.  One is begotten from the other as is consistent with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,16:01)Keith,A person is a being.The Spirit is the Spirit of the FatherThe Son is the Son.The Father is the being that the Son is from, by begettal, the Spirit is from the being of the Father also, but as an extension of the Father Himself.  The Spirit is not begotten but brought forth.The Spirit is not another…[Read more]

AHHH, so Sophia is Princess?Why the Alias then?WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,14:27)Keith,The Father is naturally of His own being, the Son is of the Father's being, and the Spirit is of the Father's being also.  That is consubstantiality.Stick with this one thing till we nail this down, ok.KathiKathiOne Being, One God, not two beings and 2 gods.That is what the Bible and the creeds teach. BT…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 07 2011,14:32)Keith said:Quote Eternal generation does not mean that he had any kind of beginning but that he was always proceeding from within the Father as the Word that was always with the Father yet the Father was always in him for they are one in essence, being and nature, all that makes God God.Keith,The term…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2011,20:32)But once again I ask, if the HONEST answer was “YES”, then what was Keith's answer of “NO!”?  Obviously a lie, right?MikeIs someone a liar if he thought he was answering the same question with the same answer though he finds out the question was reworded? Prove it! Prove that I lied!Could it be that I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,13:49)Keith,Consubstantiality is a term used in Latin Christian christology, coined by Tertullian in Against Hermogenes 44, used to translate the Greek term homoousios. “Consubstantiality” describes the relationship among the Divine persons of the Christian Trinity and connotes that God the Father, God the Son, and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,12:39)Keith,Quote Neither do they believe the Father and Son are 2 gods or beings.Do you believe in God the Father Almighty?Do you believe in God the Son Almighty?KathiYepBut as the Bible and the “Athanasian” creed states “There is only “One True God almighty”!Two can be One and Jesus said he and the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,12:34)Hi Keith and Jack,I have made a topic that is about that here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….73;st=0I have come to understand what some mean by that terms eternal generation and eternally begotten.  The understanding differs from person to person.This is what I used to think it meant:The Son was always…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,12:06)Well, now that the link is up there correctly three times, maybe it will work like a charm It works fine! WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 07 2011,12:15)Kathi said:Quote When I was shown the truth of the literal Son from eternity, I didn't have to dissect scriptures.Kathi,If Jesus is a literal Son “from eternity”, then you must accept the erroneous Catholic doctrine of eternal generation. Come on!Thats true! Because most of the Forefathers believed…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 07 2011,11:50)Princess,Have no fear, no one is being run off the board by me,  just asking for accountability, that's all.  I did not instigate this.You said:Quote LU you do have a tendency to do such things, this is not the first time I have heard of this. how you have hurt another person in such a way. Really, have I e…[Read more]

Hi AllI am bumping this for all…On March the 18th as Kathi pointed out I had already admitted that his sources “OPINIONS” say that it is possible for John 1:1c to be arthrous in this quote————–>Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 18 2011,13:07)You have quoted a few sources opinions that it possibly could be translated that way and one of the…[Read more]

This is the facts…Hi AllQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,18:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2011,18:38)Aren't you guys reading the actual question?  There is no available answer EXCEPT FOR “YES”.  Because CLEARLY, ACCORDING TO THE SCHOLARS I QUOTED, “a god” IS a GRAMMATICAL POSSIBILITY, even though Harris clearly thinks that the the “a g…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2011,22:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 06 2011,14:08)Paul was rebuked for speaking against the High Priest and he admitted he didn't know he was the High Priest implying he would have given him more respect if he knew.Hey Keith,When it's revealed to me that you and Jack and Dennison are the High Priests of God,…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 06 2011,22:26)WJ,I agree, have you ever met anyone you agree with 100% I don't agree with myself from a year ago, and I disagree even more with myself from the year before that. I was born again when I was 24 and having never really gone to church growing up I had many errors in my "doctrine" but I was still saved. Over…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 06 2011,23:38)I don't just accept some person popping in on here and railing off rebuke without proof and then bailing.  Ya know. I just want her to back up her judgements towards me, that is all.  I was truly hurt by what she said about me and how she said it.Hi KathiAmen. Satan is known as the “accuser of the brethren” a…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 07 2011,07:50)The trouble is in our society the term “angel” brings to mind a select classification of beings since God uses these particular beings as messengers so much. Men, angels (created spiritual beings), and Jesus Himself have all played the part of being a messenger, so from that point of view yes, Jesus was an…[Read more]