Quote (TimothyVI @ April 12 2007,22:02)Jesus was a God. Our Father called him such.But He was not the Father God, or any part of the Father Godany more than you and I are. He just had a much closer relationshipwith His Father than any body else on earth at the time.After all, He came to introduce us to His Father.So that we too could know…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,06:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,05:07)Also Matt 28:19 supports the third person.And this scripture is unambiguous.Not only is the verse itself ambiguous, whether it is even trulya scripture at all is ambiguous.We certainly know from the entire book of Acts that not one desciple obeyed that supposed…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,06:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,05:07)Sorry I dont agree. There is One Spirit, three persons, ONE God.Sorry, I don't agree. There is the Father, the only true God,and Jesus CHrist, whom He has sent.Each of them have a spirit. A Holy Spirit.TimTim So then you believe there is more than one Spirit?

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 13 2007,04:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 13 2007,02:55)He uses the term “Another”. Study those scriptures closely and you will see there is “Another”, in fact Jesus said that himself and the Father will send the Comforter, and we know they didnt send themselves.Hi WorshippingJesusParakletos is only used five times in…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ April 12 2007,22:21)Hi david Just some thoughts on the flesh “gods”Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be *as gods,* knowing good and evil.Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as *one of us*, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ April 13 2007,01:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,16:46)Quote (t8 @ April 12 2007,12:13)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2007,02:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2007,17:55)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,15:01)To Tim2.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,04:32)Hi Nick,All the persons of the trinity mutually indwell each…[Read more]

DavidYou say…Quote And when Jesus quoted from the Hebrew scriptures where he was referring to the angels as gods, which word did he use?What scripture are you speaking of.?You say…Quote It's not that surpising.  How many times are angels, Moses, and the Israelite judges called “gods” in the Hebrew scriptures?  What?  3?If the NT is about 40…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 12 2007,10:28)Quote So please explain what you think “god” means as applied to Jesus.–Tim2Quote As for the meaning of gods when it is applied to these others, I think it . . . rightly ascribes some degree of power to YHWH's angels or human rulers such as Moses and the judges of Israel.  –Tim2Quote I agree, that when it is…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,17:35)Jesus is the second Adam …….The Jesus you believe in is not comparable to Adam.  This is one of the problems that I see with this “fully God and fully man” theory.OK, really off to bed now.  These forums can become addicting!  not3in1Exactly! The first Adam brought sin into the human race.Do you think an…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,17:27)WJ, thank you.  I will give this passage in Hebrews some thought as I head to bed.  I do not believe this is proof positive of pre-existence, however.Adam is hardly comparable to an eternally pre-existent being.  Rather, he was a created being made in the image of the One who created him, God.  Adam was not “fu…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 12 2007,15:51)Yes I am happy to add those too.Except the second point (I don't know anything about that yet) and your John 1:1 interpretation. I believe that Jesus is divine not 'the' Divine. It is talking about the Logos in a qualitive sense and not his identity.John 1:1 shows that there are two beings (not three): God and a…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,16:40)If Jesus were “fully God,” or God incarnate, he could have never made any other choice but to be obedient.  For God cannot go against himself.Jesus didn't have a choice. not3in1Read your Bible with open eyes. Jesus was sent and Jesus said “Lo I come to do thy will”. If you look at this verse it is proof of his…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 12 2007,12:13)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2007,02:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2007,17:55)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,15:01)To Tim2.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,04:32)Hi Nick,All the persons of the trinity mutually indwell each other.TimProve it. Show me a scripture that says this.t8How many Spirits are there?God is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 12 2007,12:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,12:47)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,16:59)To WorhsippingJesus.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,10:55)Hi t8,John 10:38 shows that the Father and the Son mutually indwell each other.  It doesn't explicitly say this for the Spirit, so go ahead and celebrate, but it's a reasonable…[Read more]

Quote (Morning Star @ April 12 2007,06:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2007,17:47)Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,16:59)To WorhsippingJesus.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,10:55)Hi t8,John 10:38 shows that the Father and the Son mutually indwell each other.  It doesn't explicitly say this for the Spirit, so go ahead and celebrate, but it's a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,15:01)To Tim2.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,04:32)Hi Nick,All the persons of the trinity mutually indwell each other.TimProve it. Show me a scripture that says this.t8How many Spirits are there?God is Spirit! Is there another Spirit that we recieve?How many Spirits t8. Prove to me that there is more than one Spirit in us or…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,14:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2007,12:37)Quote (t8 @ April 10 2007,17:22)Fully God, Fully Man.HmmmmmThat makes him 100% of either, i.e., a 200% being. But God is not a man and we know that the Father is greater than the son.So if Jesus is God and Man and the Father is God only, then Christ is in one sense…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,16:59)To WorhsippingJesus.Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,10:55)Hi t8,John 10:38 shows that the Father and the Son mutually indwell each other.  It doesn't explicitly say this for the Spirit, so go ahead and celebrate, but it's a reasonable inference that Christians have made for 2000 years.TimOK I am celebrating and I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 11 2007,16:26)Hi Tim2.Paul taught clearly that there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. You teach that there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit, and one Lord Father, Lord Jesus, and Lord Spirit.There is a big difference in what you and Paul teach.Yes, Jesus is a divine being who emptied himself of…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 11 2007,09:43)WorshippingJesus,I very much appreciate your effort to respond to my original post so completely.  You are the first person to actually do so of the few who have tried.Obviously, I disagree with you, and much of your post.  I could give you some quick off the cuff reasons as to why, but that would be a d…[Read more]