Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,10:59)Hi W, You say”His Glory as God he will not share with another.”Is this the glory as the monogenes Son John spoke of?John 1:14″And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” He wanted the disciples to see…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2007,10:39)Again, I never said anything about God not being my Saviour.Not3Then if Jesus is not God, and he is your saviour and the Father is your saviour then you have 2 saviours.

APOf course he was a servant.Phil. 2He was the Word/God who took on the form of a servant and was found in fashion as a man and humbled himself to the Father even unto the death of the cross.He was the One to come, spoken of in Zech 14…The Name LORD, YHWH is the name for God. But a close examination of the use of this name in OT scriptures shows…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2007,08:38)You dont believe God is our Saviour?****************I never said that.  I said God did not die for me.  Jesus died and shed his blood for me.Even my NIV (which is a really Trinitarian bias translation), says in it's notes regarding the Acts verse:  “His own blood, the blood of his own one, a term of en…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2007,07:53)Do you believe God changes his mind?Do you believe Old Testament scriptures?******************************************Yes.  And yes.  I fail to see what your OT scriptures are trying to say.GOD DID NOT PAY THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS.  Jesus did.1 John 4:9This is how God showed his love among us:  He sent his one…[Read more]

APSince you do apply Old Testament to Yeshua as a man. Then maybe you should also apply the Old Testament scriptures to him as deity, YHWY, The Lord from heaven as scriptures so plainly show.The Name LORD, YHWH is the name for God. But a close examination of the use of this name in OT scriptures shows that the name is applied to both the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Adam Pastor @ April 20 2007,06:20)Quote (Tim2 @ April 19 2007,09:28)Jesus is God.  John 20:28.TimSure Jesus is called 'God' in scripture just like Moses … so obviously he is NOT Almighty GOD! Obviously!Now turn to Isaiah where this prophet speaks of another servant!(Isa 42:1-4)  Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my s…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2007,04:39)No man could pay this price.******************************This is a popular Trinitarian come-back.  Can anyone explain to me why God's Son couldn't pay the price?When the religious leaders accused Jesus of making himself out to be equal with God, Jesus told him he was God's Son.  Meaning, something different t…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 19 2007,22:34)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 19 2007,17:21)Not3, wouldn't re-incarnation require a death first? The Logos did not die at the incarnation – Ha!I've been waiting for an opportunity to use a “Ha!”….If He didn't die, what did He do?He disappeared from the presence of God or why would He ask to be taken back in His…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ April 20 2007,02:31)Jesus is worthy of praise and honor and glory!But I follow His instructions and pray to His God.  Not to Saints or even the Queen of heaven,  nor to the Son. I pray through the Son Not to the Son.Mat 6:9  After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 1Pe 4:11  If any…[Read more]

DavidI know this is hard for you to accept that the word for true worship, “Proskuneo” is only used in the New Testament for the Father and Yeshua.But if you were an honest theologian then you would accept it and move on.Why do you have such a problem with it since your bible says Yeshua is “a god”?You say…Quote I'm wondering if you could p…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2007,17:34)WJ, yes it does.You interpret that passage to mean Jesus is the second person of the One true God, and as such he had “glory' with God, as God.I do not share the same belief OR interpretation.Not3Oh so you just disregard Jn 17:5 that says he had Glory with the Father before the world was.

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2007,16:49)Help us understand what your interpretation is of the “Monogenes Son of God” and the Son of man.*******************Yes.Just what I thought!

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2007,17:23)Thanks, Nick.  I believe all of these scriptures too!  We differ on our definitions of “sent,” and “manifested,” and “came from God.”You see, both of our beliefs can be nicely fit into these verses.  You believe God “sent” his Son that pre-existed into the world, and I believe God “sent” his seed into the wo…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 19 2007,16:54)Quote (Cult Buster @ April 20 2007,10:19)A very good point Isaiha!Says CultB who completely ignores the fact that Paul made a clear distinction between God and his son.Hello!I'll say it again, you CultB and also Is 1:18 and WorshippingJesus are conveniently ignoring the fact that 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 speaks of God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 19 2007,16:54)Quote (Cult Buster @ April 20 2007,10:19)A very good point Isaiha!Says CultB who completely ignores the fact that Paul made a clear distinction between God and his son.Hello!I'll say it again, you CultB and also Is 1:18 and WorshippingJesus are conveniently ignoring the fact that 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 speaks of God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 19 2007,16:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2007,06:15)You say that only the Father is the creator who created all things through him right?Since as CB has so beautifully pointed out the scriptures say that only God created all things by himself, then that means that if Yeshua had no part in the creation but that the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2007,16:45)He sure didnt say “thou art the Christ the Son of man”.**************No, he didn't.  And I wouldn't answer that question that way either!not3Help us understand what your interpretation is of the “Monogenes Son of God” and the Son of man.

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2007,16:14)Isaiah, I will look forward to this pre-existent thread.  It is a topic that has really captured my interest because I believe it has everything to do with how you answer the question:  Who do you say that I am?not3He sure didnt say “thou art the Christ the Son of man”.

Quote (t8 @ April 19 2007,09:17)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 19 2007,14:07)t8 was making all those excuses about the lack of time he had in doing his research, when less than a week beforehand I told him he could “take all the time he needed” to submit his rebuttal:Maybe you didn't read WorshippingJesus post(s) but he was throwing accusations at me…[Read more]