Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,15:33)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2007,14:58)T8,The problems you have with this interpretation of Philippians 2:7 are twofold:1. You imply two divine being existed before the preincarnate Yeshua emptied Himself and was “found in appearance as a man”. Thus you have affirmed bi-theism was in effect throughout much of human…[Read more]

t8 wrong post!That was meant for the fully God fully man thread!OOps

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,15:29)To martian .Quote (martian @ May 31 2007,06:50)Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,10:24)Jesus emptied himself and came as a man.So he came in the flesh.What did he empty himself of?His privileges? His divine nature? His former glory and position?If he indeed swapped his divine nature for human nature, then he was truly 100% man…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,12:25)To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,00:28)All were translated “God” referring to the Father and Yeshua, except 13 times for “False gods” including satan and the man of sin and man, and eight times Godly, and once Yeshua was quoting the Psalmist which was still under Old covenant law. Agency was still in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,12:25)To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,00:28)All were translated “God” referring to the Father and Yeshua, except 13 times for “False gods” including satan and the man of sin and man, and eight times Godly, and once Yeshua was quoting the Psalmist which was still under Old covenant law. Agency was still in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,12:06)For those who read WJs quoted post below:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2007,01:33)True!You cannot seperate the “Image”, from its source!You take away the mans Image then the man has no Image and therefore does not exist.If you take away the image of God, then God has no Image.The image of the man is the woman.Adam…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,11:05)Hi W, If you teach that the vine is the Gardener and the Gardener is the vine then you deny the truth of scripture, you deny the Lordship of Jesus, you worship another unbiblical god and insult the Gardener who is to be feared.NHI dont teach the Father is the Son!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,10:58)Hi W,God has certainly demanded that His Son be the only mediator with men and the only way to Him and the only means of access to His precious Spirit and all His graces.You only need to submit to the Son to be in submission to his God.The vine and the Gardener.You would cut out the appointed middleman?NHHow…[Read more]

t8Also you say…Quote Likewise the last word God/theos used in John 1:1 doesn't have the definite article (the) so it can be understood as being a qualitative statement. Some translations even say “The Word was divine” in recognition of this. However, I would also like to add that putting the word “a” as the JWs teach is also presumptuous. The…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,07:14)Hi W, I do wonder why you choose as a user name here evidence that Jesus alone is your god and not the Father. Do you not follow Jesus in this? That does also suggest that Jesus is not your Lord, yet he was appointed as such for us..NHHave you not realized you cant have the Father/God without haveing the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 31 2007,10:23)WJ, thanks for your side of “Theos.”  I read everyone's posts, but I confess, when they are too long or too packed full of factoids (greek/latin/spanish)  I get frustrated easily and tend to start glossing over important information…..  I guess along with the facts, maybe if you could tell a knock-knock jo…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,08:20)Hi W, The sunlight is not the sun. The sun is more than that which it expresses.NhYes the Father is not the Son!But they are one God!One Spirit, Three Presons. One God!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,07:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2007,06:33)Quote (Tim2 @ May 31 2007,04:41)t8,You say that men reflect the image and glory of God, and you are right.  But Jesus is not said to be the “reflection” of God's glory, He is said to be the Radiance.  The reflection is something altogether separate and different f…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2007,06:46)Hi W,The fear of polytheism is no excuse for adding to scripture and using greek LOGIC to state that  because of these things THEREFORE both Christ and his Father MUST BE the ONE GOD. You need to find the truth by better ways.We have one God.Christ is our given Lord.Christ is an idol to so many.1Jn521Little…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ May 31 2007,06:17)I am thankful that you posted this. It goes a long way to proving my point about your process and why I refuse to deal with you according to scripture. You have proven what is easily discernable about those who support the Trinity. They are dishonest with scripture. You state -Well I really would like you to…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 31 2007,04:41)t8,You say that men reflect the image and glory of God, and you are right.  But Jesus is not said to be the “reflection” of God's glory, He is said to be the Radiance.  The reflection is something altogether separate and different from the Light, but the Radiance is the Light itself, as Jesus is the true Light.  …[Read more]

*To all those who read t8s last post!*t8s statement that the word “Theos” applied to Yeshua is in a qualitative sence is a red herring.If Theos in the NT does not mean “The True God”, then how can we know when the scriptures refers to the Father.Answer of course is its context. Concerning the New Testament word “Theos”.1336 times the word “Theos”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2007,22:05)Hi Is 1.18, Was not Jesus in the form of God? Was the Word with God not God? Are the sons of god not called gods in scripture?Is Satan not called in scripture the god of this world?If scripture calls these gods, and scripture cannot be broken, why do you put your view above that of scripture?NHThe Word that…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 30 2007,18:23)Jn 20:28And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my “Father”. ***********************That doesn't quite work, does it?  Jesus is not the Father – even by Trinitarian standards.not3 I am praying for you!

Quote (olive @ May 30 2007,14:55)Since some like to play around w/ scriptures. Let’s play. This is called the Trinitarian Trinity. The rules are quite simple. When scripture reads Christ, Jesus, Son they will replace it w/ God. Their rules not mine. Since the have no need for Christ and go straight to God status, this will be quite easy for t…[Read more]