Quote (kejonn @ July 19 2007,17:08)WJ,I think our struggle is with theos. You see “God” and automatically think Trinity. But my above post using excerpts from Ignatius' Epistle to the Magnesians points out that he believes the Father is the one true God and Almighty. By calling Yeshua God, he is saying he is God to us because he represented God in…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 19 2007,16:53)Looking through Ignatius' writings, he often refers to Yeshua as “God”. I put it in quotation marks because I wonder of it should be capitalized. But I also not that he calls the Father the Almighty God in some places and true God in others. He never uses Almighty or true God to refer to Yeshua. Yet as you can…[Read more]

kejonnLets look at the same with a different emphasis…On this account also they were persecuted, being inspired by grace to fully convince the unbelieving that there is one God, the Almighty, who has manifested Himself by Jesus Christ His Son, who is His *Word*, not spoken, but essential. For He is not the voice of an articulate utterance, but a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 19 2007,13:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 19 2007,12:17)I think he is addressing two heresys of his day.1. Unitarians  – “that He is not the Son the Creator.  Who else is Creator but God t8?Unitarians believe Jesus is not God in any sense and therefore he is not the creator, nor do they believe he pre-existed. They believe tha…[Read more]

T8 If you want to continue with this I am happy to oblige! You say…Quote you quote this guy Ignatius and say that he was discipled by John and what he says is significant, and this same man calls you a servant of Satan because you say that Jesus is the Most High God, the very thing that he condemns in his teaching. Think about the implications h…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 18 2007,00:45)Quote (Cult Buster @ July 12 2007,23:32)Hi Nick. Jesus was indeed God. He said so.John 8:56  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. John 8:57  Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, ve…[Read more]

KejonnI am disapointed!I was expecting a rather long and sarcastic response!Look again. You can do better than the previous response!*A challenge for the Unitarians, Henotheist, and Arians* Please tell me based on the following scriptures how do you reconcile them from any other view but a Trinitarians? How do you explain the following scriptures?…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 17 2007,16:55)WJ,All of those verses, one short answer:

Matthew 11:27 – “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Includes the Holy Spirit. The now share the Holy Spirit. After…[Read more]

T8I wasn’t trying to dodge a thing.Besides, its funny how you mention dodging things, when you had never answered my questions about the Spirit way back even after you said you would!The reason I posted about the Spirit was because most of the post was already written and I didn’t have time to start on the response to your post but was saving it…[Read more]

*A challenge for the Unitarians, Henotheist, and Arians* Please tell me based on the following scriptures how do you reconcile them from any other view but a Trinitarians? How do you explain the following scriptures? 1 Cor 2:13 *For by one Spirit* are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 16 2007,16:37)WJ,I didn't mean for the book (NWT), I meant for your brother in Christ (David).  Your last sentence is what I was referring to, not necessarily the context of what you were saying – we are all entitled, it seems, to our opinions.not3Did you ever get angry at your brother or kin, did you still not love them?Let…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 16 2007,07:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,07:15)Quote (david @ July 14 2007,13:32)WJ, There is a thread somewhere on the NWT, if you like.  If I remember correctly, you began attacking the NWT when you couldn't deal with other stuff I was saying.  Please feel free to attack in the appropriate thread.DavidI will r…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,08:31)Hi W, Do you think we should prefer to follow Ignatius?NHWhy do you follow Eusebus?

KYou say…Quote I never saw in his writings “The Holy Spirit is God”. Only Jesus is God. Binity. Ignatius again, is a desciple of John and his writings are not disputed. He was a contemperary of Paul and the other Apostles. So I agree that his writtings didnt become cannonical, but they are significant just as other historical facts are.The…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 14 2007,13:32)WJ, There is a thread somewhere on the NWT, if you like.  If I remember correctly, you began attacking the NWT when you couldn't deal with other stuff I was saying.  Please feel free to attack in the appropriate thread.DavidI will respond to your huge post later.But I will say this…The NWT is a corrupted v…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 14 2007,09:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2007,18:57)kejohnStudy history!You statement is untrue!The trinity was preached by many of the early Fathers.Ignatius a disciple of the beloved Apostle John wrote…Estimated Range of Dating: 105-115 C.E. The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians Being blessed in the greatness and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2007,12:57)Hi W, You say”The Father is not only called the Only true God (John 17:3), but the “Only Saviour” (Isa 43:11; 45:21; Hos 13:4; Jude 25) , GUESS WHO GOD RAISED UP TO BE THE SAVIOUR OF MEN.Acts 13″ 23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: “NHYes he did come…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 14 2007,22:13)Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 14 2007,11:55)Quote it's we because it's the same spirit of the FatherGene,Why then did Yeshua use plural pronouns in this verse?:John 14:2323Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ July 14 2007,14:47)WJ  All I have to say to you is, I wouldn't put my trust in a Doctrine that was invented by a Man likeQuintus Septimus Florens Tertullian.Mrs.IM4TruthIm4So whats that have to do with this statement you made…Quote There are a lot of Scriptures that have been added.If you dont trust the scriptures, then what…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 14 2007,03:23)This is a “kindler and gentler” Trinity challenge than my previous 2 challenges. That is, it has no real restrictions, but poses questions of the “what” and “why” type. In answering the questions of this challenge, please try to use you own knowledge and scripture only. IOW, no copying answers from somewhere else…[Read more]