Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 03 2007,09:00)Well, since this thread was initially written to addess John 1:1c, its time to look back to the originator of John's thought process – Philo. I don't know what made me think of Philo today but a heaviness of my heart came upon me and the name Philo came up. I knew nothing of Philo before today but now I know more…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 03 2007,10:55)Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,06:08)Quote Excuse me Mr t8. Didn't you just leave out some of the scripture?Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Mr Steve. Do yourself a favor.Read John 1:1 again.   All of it!    Don't ignore the truth.                    “and…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 02 2007,14:30)Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,14:33)Kejonn; Of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the least contended person of the Godhead.  We simply have very little scripture on the holy spirit.  I believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because Christ referred to him as “He” and he will not speak o…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 02 2007,23:51)Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,06:39)Kejonn. You've just swallowed a camel.A camel goes down easier than an elephant. But you can carve the tusks into toothpicks to get the elephant meat out of your teeth. Do you like the taste?Quote Rev 1:17  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his…[Read more]

kejonnI have been busy in my buisness, I own a computer buisness and have been swamped, but will be back soon.Just thought I would mention why Jesus being the Alpha and Omega means he is God.You say…Quote So, tell me CB, just what is “Alpha and Omega”? How does it relate to both Yeshua and God?Rev 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2007,21:54)OK.There is a Father.There is a son.There is a Spirit.Q: How many are God?A: 1.1 Corinthians 8:5-6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Ephesians 4:4-6one God and…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,05:44)T8;Isn't that the Oneness teaching.  The trinitarians believe that Christ was the Son of God before coming to earth.  What is most distinctive about the trinitarians isn't the pre-existence of Christ but the eternal equality of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  The scriptures clearly present an order of au…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2007,21:36)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2007,08:39)Hi Mr S,FOR DOCTRINAL PURPOSES little is more important than the fact that Christ is the Son of God.  Trinitarians say he was never a real Son but a part of God just CALLED the Son of God. The Word was with God in the beginning. He came in the name of the Father, was filled…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,07:23)WJ; Ontologically refers to metaphysics, the relationships of beings.  Where did Christ say with this qualification that he was equal with God?  I use the KJV Bible, it reads without any qualification that “the Father is greater than I am”  You may be interjecting here.  I'm trying to be kind here con…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,06:52)WJ;After Christ was resurrected he said he was returning to his God?  Who was he referring to when he said “his God”?StevenSteveJesus calls the Father God.The Father calls Jesus God!Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,06:39)WJ;Do you believe that Jesus is equal with the Father?StevenSteveOntologically. Yes!Is your father greater than you? Maybe, maybe not.But you are both nevertheless equal in nature. You are both 100% human.Jesus is the “Monogenes” 'Unique', Son of God. He is God in the flesh. He is the Word/God who took on the…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,06:28)WJ;Are you saying you are not a modalist?  What is your definition of a modalist?StevenSteveI am not a modalist.Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity which states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 31 2007,21:40)How many people in history have cried out “My God” or “My Lord” or both, when they saw something amazing? Plenty right? Are they calling the thing itself God? But Jesus can also be our God, he too has a God which is the same God as ours, the Most High God.Likewise Jesus is lord, but when I was younger and went…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,05:30)To say the Jesus is God is true statement but to make that the end of your understanding is a pity.  How is Jesus God.  Specifically, he is the Son of God.  He came out from God the Father.  He was begotten by God the Father.  Otherwise, if he is the only begotten you are teaching that he begat himself whic…[Read more]

KejonnYou say…Quote Wait…no Holy Spirit? Where is the 3rd “person” of the Triune God in this? Oooppps. Binity again.I thought you were more tactful than that! To resort to such logic. HMM. Let me see…Thomas said unto him…”My Lord and my God”. Oops. Thomas forgot to mention the Father and the Spirit so I guess they are not God. You…[Read more]

kejonnYou say..Quote John knew the true God. Paul knew the one God. Both knew He is the Father. Shame people ignore them. Interesting. And yet you say Jesus is “a god”!John knew who Jesus was…Why do you think he says we are in Jesus Christ, this is the true God and Eternal life! Why didnt he just leave him out of the 20th verse.How can millions…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ July 31 2007,13:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2007,17:26)kejonnWow! That truly is amazing. All those quotes that the Father is the Only true God!But as youu know Trinitarians believe the Son and the Holy Spirit is also “True God”.So this is not a contradiction!No they are not the Father! kejonnIt might help if you could find…[Read more]

kejonnWow! That truly is amazing. All those quotes that the Father is the Only true God!But as youu know Trinitarians believe the Son and the Holy Spirit is also “True God”.So this is not a contradiction!No they are not the Father! kejonnIt might help if you could find one of the early Fathers say Jesus is not God or is not to be worshipped!But…[Read more]

NHOk! Jesus is the Son of the God! And your point?

Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 31 2007,07:36)To Worshipping Jesus;Are you worshipping Jesus when what you believe makes Christ a liar? The Father seeks those to worship him in spirit and in truth.  For Christ to state “in truth” it must be very important for us to know the truth so we know who we are worshipping. Consider the following;Some believers…[Read more]