kejonnYou say…Quote Nah, “word of God” is used in the OT too   . But I've pondered this name in Revelation. Many scholars seem to say that the final Gospel of John was authored after Revelation, even if by only a few years. Hard to say. So it could be possible that after seeing the vision of “logos theos” on Yeshua's robe, John then was in…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 08 2007,10:02)Dear WJ;It's amazing how much truth is found in the statements of John the Baptist.  He was quoted by Christ and the Apostles.  John the Baptist says twice in the first chapter of John that He (Christ) is preferred before me because he (Christ) was before me.  John says Christ was before him, meaning that Je…[Read more]

kejonnYou said…Quote As I said, even the early fathers called the Father unbegotten. I will provide quotes for you later. So if the Father is unbegotten and the Son begotten, what does that tell you? The Father preceded the Son. In our reality that may not mean much but it does say he had a beginning while the Father did not. Dont waste your…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 07 2007,15:56)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,18:56)Mr steveYou have never seen me say the “logos” is eternally begotten.I believe the 'Logos” which was with God and was God is not the spoken logos. The Logos that was God took on the likeness of sinfull flesh without diminishing his nature as the Word/God, for God can…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 07 2007,16:21)Check out this guy :P. From Prototokos

Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus Christ: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” Lately, some have said that firstborn here means “preeminent.” Undoubtedly it can be used as such, but its more natural meaning is “the first to open the…

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KejonnYou said…Quote Because translations change, but the original Greek (hopefully)remains true?Doubting the translators and major translators again. This is what people do when the find they don’t believe the scriptures. You should learn Greek and Hebrew and translate your own Bible rather than cast shadow on the translators works and use the…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 08 2007,04:33)WJ;Where did Christ get all the names given to him?  By the way, do you intend to answer any of my posts to you.  They only need to be succinct statement, please don't publish a book like you do for Kejonn.  This isn't my job.  If you know the truth you should be able to enunciate it clearly in a few sen…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,04:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 07 2007,10:20)And your few translations you mention like the NWT are in opposition to all the major translations on biblegateway and Blueletter.com.You and kejonn seem to be aligning with the NWT and watchtower a lot lately.And you are started to sound like CB  . I guess this is a…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,03:44)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2007,04:31)Christian apologist Justin Martyr (c 150) identified Jesus as the Logos. He portrayed Jesus not as “the Maker of all things” but as “the Angel of the Lord”, subject to the Maker of all things.Justin Martyr got the concept of logos being and angel from Philo

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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2007,21:04)Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 05 2007,22:11)That's very sweet t8.However, this one verse alone has you stumped.Isa 9:6  For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2007,21:31)John 1:1.Taken from Wikipedia.In Christianity, the prologue of the Gospel of John calls Jesus “the Logos” (usually translated as “the Word” in English bibles such as the KJV). Christians who profess belief in the Trinity often consider this to be a central text in their belief that Jesus is the Divine Son of God.…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 07 2007,08:56)WJ; Was the Word made Flesh or was Christ the Word?  The seed is the Word of God.  John said that which was begotten was “of” the word of life, not the word of life.  The Word which includes the doctrine of God did not belong to Jesus according to Jesus own teaching.  Was not Christ begotten of God, of the Wor…[Read more]

kejonnYou said…Quote Was Philo merely a Greek philosopher? You would like to label him as such because it would detract from his worth in this debate, but the fact is, he was a Jew who knew the OT well.In this case, a fellow name Yonge translated Philo's writings. But the passage I have provided in light of “ho theos” and God's ancient word is s…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 07 2007,00:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,01:40)Hint Philo believed “logos” was the divine reason.He believed the “logos” to be the expressed thought or word of God, therefore implying Jesus is the thought or plan of God that came into existance at his birth. Hence becoming the firstborn of God. He also calls the…[Read more]

kejonnYou said…Quote Are you sure you want to take the word of 600 modern Greek scholars who did not write in the Greek that Philo did? Since Philo wrote in the same Greek that the NT writers did, it would seem he would have a huge edge over scholars who are trying to translate language that was written 1600-2000 years ago. Just look how much p…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 05 2007,22:27)CB,Did God sya “first and last” was a title, and His alone? And YHWH said “I am the first and I am the last”. If this is a title, Yeshua only said “I am the first and the last”. No second instance of “I am”.kejonnWeak!   I will be responding to your post on the Monotheist thread as time permits.I have looked at…[Read more]

Steve I simply confess what the scriptures say of Jesus. Thomas called him God. John called him God. Paul called him God. The writer of Hebrews called him God. Of course he is the Son of the God. But what does that mean? He was the Word/God that took on the likeness of sinfull flesh and dwelt among us, the Lord from heaven. If one studies the…[Read more]

Kejonn You say…Quote Since most scholars agree that the same John wrote both verses, why do they not agree? I know you think they do because of your belief in the Trinity, but if one doesn't approach them with such a viewpoint, it is seen that the Father is the true God in John 17:3. Well since most scholars agree that it was John that wrote b…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 03 2007,17:55)Hey, gotta go to bed, and I will reply again soon, but I wanted to take this opportunity to say “Happy Birthday”!Have a great one!kejonnThanks!Blessings!

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 03 2007,15:37)Hey WJ,Check out my various posts about Philo and “ho theos”. Philo of Alexandria developed the Logos theory in relation to God. Either the writer of John's Gospel was influenced by Philo or God both inspired them to use the Logos in relation to an entity that existed with God since the beginning. In any case,…[Read more]