T8You said…Quote Yet Jesus said “You are gods”.I suppose that he was wrong was he?Are you serious? Do you think that Jesus is promoting Polytheism by quoting the Psalmist in Pss 82:6.Pss 82:6 was a prophesy about wicked ungodly men. Jesus was rebuking them for their hypocrisy for accusing him for saying he was one with the Father therefore m…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 24 2007,21:11)Quote Could you maybe give one scripture that says Yeshua was (born/begotten/of/from God) before he came in the flesh?Are you saying that he wasn't of God before he came in the flesh?t8I am saying that he was and is God before he came in the flesh.Jn 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the…[Read more]

T8You said…Quote So you admit to the Greek framework being a model by which you see scripture.I didn’t admit to any such thing! The greeks believed that there were many gods. In fact they believed men were gods. Sound familiar t8? It seems you believe like the Greeks. For you admit that men are gods. Yet, Paul says they are “So called gods, and n…[Read more]

T8You say…Quote History shows that Greek thinking has had a strong influence on Christianity. Greek thinking demanded that all things fit into 2 categories, i.e., created or uncreated. So according to this type of thinking, Christ was either created or uncreated. This helped immensely in shaping the Trinity Doctrine.Created or uncreated! Is t…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 23 2007,07:22)WJ,Good to hear from you!How can God be standing next to himself?Thanksnot3If you are standing next to your Son would you say how can you be my Son and be human too?Jesus is the “Monogenes”, Unique Son of God, as well as Son of Man. God and Man. God in the flesh.No other Son of God can be the express Image of…[Read more]

CBAmen!Not only that, but he prayed for Jesus to recieve his Spirit, and he asked Jesus to forgive them of this sin.Only God can recieve a mans spirit and forgive sins against another man!It is curious as to why this Godly man full of the Holy Spirit never mentioned “Father” here at all.Its because they understood that Jesus is their connection to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2007,16:15)Kejonn….>well stated, maybe some of the things you brought out will cause WJ to reconcider his position some day, I hope so……….geneGBTo late for me my friend. I have not forgotten the one who came into my life in the spring of 1974.Without any help or coercion of man the Holy Spirit convicted me of…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 15 2007,18:45)KJ and WJ – wow brother's you gave this debate a good ride!  It has been interesting following your posts.  Thanks to both of you.not3Thanks!

kejonnThanks for your response.First of all I assure you I am not trying to make you look bad. He He. You are a hero on this sight and even if I could make you look bad it wouldn’t matter here.Secondly, I think you misunderstand me about the scriptures. Its not that I blindly accept every word that I read. I test the words with the many t…[Read more]

KejonnYou said…Quote And I came back and admitted that it is very likely. But as it stands, there is no reference to it being mentioned again in scripture. But none of that takes away “name will be called”. A name does not denote our substance, it is but a name. If I decide to name my child Napolean that will not make him the historical chara…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 14 2007,09:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2007,00:58)You said…Quote I read the comments on bible.cc. Almost all of it was implication and very apologetic sounding. I used to believe in Apologetics until I started paying attention. Now I see that the majority of Apologetics uses vague speech and heavy implication with s…[Read more]

KejonnYou said…Quote ***sigh*** For a Trinitarian? Once. And how many times must the Holy Spirit be called “God” to be included in the Trinity? Its very convenient for you to change positions when it supports what you are trying to say. You have yourself said the Spirit is the personal Spirit of the Father. Which means he is God. Recently you s…[Read more]

Kejonn You say…Quote Nope. When I do these things I merely show that there IS a potential difference. So it makes things questionable. And yes, he was called God by Thomas and perhaps in a few places (but many of them deny the proper use of good English to get there), but never “Mighty God”. And none of the others either unless you piece t…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 11 2007,00:29)Haha, you should spend some time on http://www.2001translation.com. Without a doubt, a very anti-trinitarian site.kejonnMy point in quoting the sight was not to say I agree with everything they say but to show that they dont agree with you.HaHa. Imagine that even non-Trinitarians disagree with your interpretation…[Read more]

KejonnYou said…Quote Not only that, one of the reasons you likely don't see this any part of this verse quoted in the NT is that most of the writers of the NT used the Septuagint and not the Masoretic. Lets see how the Septuagint has Isaiah 9:6Yes kejonn but the writers of the NT also called Jesus God! There you go again. You oppose every major…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,13:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 07 2007,11:11)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2007,21:04)Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 05 2007,22:11)That's very sweet t8.However, this one verse alone has you stumped.Isa 9:6  For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 09 2007,00:32)Hey WJ,For clarity on Acts 20:28, let's see what one of the early church fathers, Irenaeus, quoted in Against Heresies, Book III

“I know that ye shall see my face no more. Therefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of G…

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Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,14:30)WJ,Hehe, yeah, we get “heated” in our debates, don't we? We both feel strongly about who Yeshua is to us, but in the end, I think we can agree that he is Master, Savior, Lord of lords, King of Kings, Lamb of God, Son of God, Messiah, and certainly our Lord.I certainly think that both of us, regardless of the…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,12:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 07 2007,17:43)Dont waste your time. The word “Begotten” is not found in scriptures referring to the Son before his natural birth.So wait…if they call the Father the unbegotten God, and the Son the begotten God, don't we have 2 Gods? Because obviously one is not the same as the…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 08 2007,12:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 07 2007,16:15)Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 07 2007,16:21)Check out this guy :P. From Prototokos

Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus Christ: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” Lately, some have said that firstborn here means “preeminent.” Undoubtedly it can…

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