Quote (t8 @ Oct. 02 2007,09:47)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 02 2007,00:26)WJ,I just had to reply to this one because it is so obvious: Mat 12:29 is quoted from the Septuagint, which came to replace YHWH or YHVH with “kyrios”. You know that the original Hebrew phrase was “YHWH our God is one YHWH”.Yes I have seen that error perpetuated many times.YHWH is…[Read more]

mr steve You never addressed my points. How do you explain Heb 1:10 and Isa 44:4? Jesus calls the Father God. and the Father calls Jesus God!Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.The writer of the book of Hebrews by the spirit elevated this scripture…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Oct. 02 2007,09:10)WJ;You have a grand sense of humor.  Do you seriously believe that in Hebrews when the Father says to the Son, thy throne oh God, that he intended us to believe that the Son is the God of the Father.  Does he say to the Son, my God, as Jesus says to the Father?  Who sent who?Who worships who? Who commands wh…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 01 2007,19:55)Quote (Stu @ Oct. 01 2007,17:55)Hi t8Yes the child in me always wants to shout “the emperor has no clothes” whenever I am in the company of religious folk!Seriously, I think artists and scientists particularly benefit if they can achieve the qualities you describe.StuartI some time feel the same compulsion in…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 02 2007,07:02)WJ,And your point is fairly valid in that the Septuagint translators eventually eliminated YHWH from the manuscripts. There is much evidence that the earliest copies still had the Tetragrammaton when Greek writing Jews were the scribes. However, as time passed and the Septuagint fell out of favor with Jews,…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Oct. 02 2007,06:31)WJ;Does Jesus have a God?Stevenmr steveYes! Jesus was also a man. Jesus calls the Father God. and the Father calls Jesus God!Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.The writer of the book of Hebrews by the spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Oct. 02 2007,05:05)To all;Does God change?  Does he word ever pass away?  I John 5 says that there are three that bear witness in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost.  Some contend vigorously that Jesus was the Word of God before coming to earth, not the Son of God.  The above scripture was written many years aft…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 02 2007,00:26)WJ,I just had to reply to this one because it is so obvious: Mat 12:29 is quoted from the Septuagint, which came to replace YHWH or YHVH with “kyrios”. You know that the original Hebrew phrase was “YHWH our God is one YHWH”.kejonnExactly my point.Who can prove that “Kyrios” in refering to the “Lord” Jesus Christ…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2007,12:28)Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 26 2007,22:07)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2007,15:24)Unfortunately for you CultB, you are in the mother cult.First come out of the Babylonian cult and then you might see clearly to point out related things to others.t8. Is that the best that you can do? I hoped that you would provide an intelligent…[Read more]

MandyI am also praying for you and yours.As kejonn and others have expressed so well. “God is In control”. We are more than conquerers through him who loves us.Blessings Keith

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2007,19:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2007,05:04)Quote (Stu @ Sep. 20 2007,21:07)I don't think there is a god for Jesus to have been the son of.Hope this helps!StuartstuThen you dont think there is a human that you are a son too! Well, I've been asked more ridiculous questions in these forums.   By the logic of some…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 20 2007,21:07)I don't think there is a god for Jesus to have been the son of.Hope this helps!StuartstuThen you dont think there is a human that you are a son too!

mr steveYou said…Quote If Christ is the Son of God, how is he also God?  You teach that Christ is God and equal with the Father.  I believe that Christ is the Son of God, not God.  The Father has made him Lord of heaven and earth, but he is still subject to his Father. No offence to you but this is such a weak and fallacious argument.Your fa…[Read more]

mr steveListen my friend. Apparantly there is a missunderstanding as to what I believe.I have posted over 3300 times on this board in 1 year.You have never seen me ever deny the pre-existence of Jesus or the fact that he is the Son of God.The confusion lies in the fact that I believe that Yeshua before he took on the likeness of sinful flesh and…[Read more]

mr steveThese are you words..Quote With respect to the pre-existence of Jesus as the Son of God, the scriptures are very clear.  Three times in John 1, John the Baptist says that “he” (Jesus) is preferred before me because he (Jesus) was before me.  Christ also said many times that he was from above and would go back to where he was before.  If “h…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Sep. 19 2007,06:15)WJ;Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No man comes unto the Father but by and through Christ.  We serve God through Christ.  God exalted Christ and gave him a name which is above every name.  If it is true that God gave all that he had to give to Christ, then before Christ received all from the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2007,18:41)SteveYou say…Quote We can't serve two masters.  Paul said if I seek to please men I should not be the servant of Christ.   Find something else to do. I am curious you say that “we can't serve two masters”, but then quote Paul saying we should be the servants of Christ.Do you serve “God” the Father. I…[Read more]

Steveyou say…Quote Jesus said there is only one God and it was the first commandment to love him with all your heart.  He did not include himself as God when he had many opportunities to do so.Tell me. Do you love and serve the Father more than Jesus? Is there a limit to how much we should Love and serve Jesus?Can we Love the Father apart from…[Read more]

SteveYou say…Quote We can't serve two masters. Paul said if I seek to please men I should not be the servant of Christ. Find something else to do. I am curious you say that “we can't serve two masters”, but then quote Paul saying we should be the servants of Christ.Do you serve “God” the Father. If Jesus is not God and you serve Jesus and the…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 17 2007,03:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 16 2007,01:55)To all. The Trinitarian doctrine is found in the whole of all of the scriptures. It is the only way to reconcile all the scriptures without contradictions.Blessings   Hey WJ,The trinity is not the only way to reconcile all the scriptures, but it is the most popular…[Read more]