Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:06)Moved from the Sabbath threadQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,13:06)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,05:41)WJ,Stop one moment and think of the story of Isaac and Ishmael. Why was Ismael born? Because Abram and Sarai wanted to fulfill the promise God made to them instead of waiting on God to do it. That is where…[Read more]

GBYou say…Quote The commamdments were truned in (law) at Mount Sini. A commandment is (NOT) a Law and therefore does not requirement obedience by forced compliance like a (LAW) does. Then why do I feel like I am being forced to obey a law that is fulfilled in Christ and if I dont then I am blind and lost, seems like “forced compliance to me”.Are…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,05:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,11:45)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,03:38)WJ,No doubt. Yet the Sabbath is more than just having a holy convocation. Its about abstaining from the work of the world and replacing it with dedication to God. So we as Christians can truly gather on any day, but I can't tell you…[Read more]

kenchYou say…Quote Where did Paul keep and teach on Sunday?  WHERE WJ?  The Pope wasn't there Acts 20:7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.You say…Quote WJ Which of the “TEN COMMANDMENTS” point to H…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,03:38)WJ,No doubt. Yet the Sabbath is more than just having a holy convocation. Its about abstaining from the work of the world and replacing it with dedication to God. So we as Christians can truly gather on any day, but I can't tell you how many times in life I've heard “You're not supposed to do that on Sunday”.…[Read more]

LaurelYou say…Quote did address this a couple post ago, but I will again so you can see it for yourself.The verses you posted is how Messiah explained what it would be like at judgment.No. The parable of Lazarus and the richman has nothing to do with the judgment in the end.Lk 16:22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2007,17:53)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 06 2007,10:34)Whenever God spoke of the Sabbath, whether yearly or weekly, He spoke of having a holy convocation. In otehr words, a gathering. Much like what we call today as “worship”. Therefore, if the Sabbath was well established in the OT, and Christians, both Jew and Gentile, continued to…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,12:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,08:08)Hi All!Here is some more information on the subject.I am merely posting it here for others to comment on and to get both sides so that we can all come to the truth.So far what I have seen is the evidence here is solid. If not then maybe we can get some evidence from…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 06 2007,16:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,07:24)Quote Rather than just claim a twisting of scriptures, why diont you give us some facts that show otherwise?WJ…..> here is a simple fact, Jesus said “For as Jonas was in the belly of the whale three Days and three nights, so will the son of man be in the heart…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Oct. 06 2007,12:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,09:13)Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,08:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,08:29)Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,07:49)Quote Besides there is no scripture that says Jesus rose on the Sabbath. There is more evidence Jesus rose on the first day of the week. Why would he wait…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 06 2007,10:34)Whenever God spoke of the Sabbath, whether yearly or weekly, He spoke of having a holy convocation. In otehr words, a gathering. Much like what we call today as “worship”. Therefore, if the Sabbath was well established in the OT, and Christians, both Jew and Gentile, continued to gather on it in the NT, what…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 06 2007,09:17)WJ,I'm following you and Ken…..I have a question for you (I know it's off subject, but hey, sometimes you have to grab it when you can):If Jesus never died, how can he be the “firstfruits” from the dead?  Jesus may have an “eternal spirit” but we do not, and we will die.  How can we follow him in *death* and r…[Read more]

Hi All.Here is some information from the early church Fathers concerning the Sabbath and the early Christian Church followers practice.THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS AND THE SABBATHForward and Introduction As many of our visitors will know, I came out of a seventh day sabbath observance group many years ago.I have long wanted to get an article out about…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,08:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,08:29)Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,07:49)Quote Besides there is no scripture that says Jesus rose on the Sabbath. There is more evidence Jesus rose on the first day of the week. Why would he wait a day to appear to the desciples?1Pe 3:18  For Christ also hath once suffered…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 06 2007,07:49)Quote Besides there is no scripture that says Jesus rose on the Sabbath. There is more evidence Jesus rose on the first day of the week. Why would he wait a day to appear to the desciples?1Pe 3:18  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to…[Read more]

Hi All!Here is some more information on the subject.I am merely posting it here for others to comment on and to get both sides so that we can all come to the truth.So far what I have seen is the evidence here is solid. If not then maybe we can get some evidence from the other side. Saturday Resurrection totally unbiblical1. The fact that Mary did…[Read more]

Hi All.This is the timeline before Yeshuas death, burial and ressurection.There is much scripture here to support it.FridayNisan 730 or 33 ADJohn 12:1 Six days before the Passover Jesus came to Bethany to visit Lazarus, Mary and Martha. A dinner is served in his honor Jesus' feet anointed with Nard by Mary Chief priests and Pharisees plotting to…[Read more]

JodiCongrats on the new born. I just had a new grandchild  a month ago.May the Lord bless her and keep her all he days.Blessing Keith

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 06 2007,05:48)WJ…. those are all trinitarians ways of avoiding the truth to try to match their Idology of Jesus' resurection to be sunday. If Jesus said He would be in the (GRAVE) three (DAY) and three (NIGHTS) why can't you just believe that and take it for what it say's, why do you continuely try to twist scripture…[Read more]

Hi All!The Early Church Fathers has much to say about the ressurection of our lord. I will post some later but thought this was rather interesting and deals with this point now.”Preparation”, the first century word for Friday!Charles C. Torrey explains, In Aramaic, “the middle days of the week were designated by numbers, ‘third, fourth, f…[Read more]